Thread: At least 9 people shot in D.C.

I just don't understand how anybody could trust a government that doesn't allow its citizens the right to purchase guns.

I'm sure it's a cultural difference, however, it seems that too many people have no respect for American culture when they expect the same treatment from Americans.

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I just don't understand how anybody could trust a government that doesn't allow its citizens the right to purchase guns.

I would go a bit further and change the language of the question to reflect the fact that it IS a right, and not one dependent up government:

'I just don't understand how anybody could trust a government that doesn't recognize its citizens' right to purchase guns'

Even our own Second Amendment (and all of the pertinent Amendments in the Bill of Rights) specifically do not GRANT rights, but rather RECOGNIZES them. This conforms to the basic understanding that we are endowed by our creator (and not by government) with certain inalienable rights.

Anyone that leaves the determination of those rights to the government in the first place has already lost the battle.

Originally Posted by CowboyTed

The US has a responsibility to be good neighbors and to stop the flow of guns into the wrong hands.

Since the US has become the supermarket of firearms for every illegal dealer in the world they have to take some responsibility. When other countries were training terrorists did they say to America "Police your own borders".

What would the response be if every nation which has gun crime on the streets of there country from US guns turned around after 9/11 and said "Police your own borders".

Your attitude is childish to say the least...

We do make many efforts on that. Even have a special agency dedicated to guns and explosives its called the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Maybe if the international scene didn't get their panties in twist everytime we suggested walling off everything but the sanctioned checkpoints and shooting wall jumpers on site we wouldn't have this problem?

fun fact: we trained an elite special forces unit for mexico. they were supposed to be taking down the cartels. They ended up defecting AND taking all their US made and issued special forces military grade equipment (like the selective fire M-4 Carbines with attached M-203 grenade launchers on them from some earlier posts ) and became a literal assassination squad for the cartels. They are now a cartel/gang in their own right. Look them up theyre called the Zetas.
FUN FACTx2: this isn't the only instance of the mexican military (which uses US made weapons that we sell to them) defecting to the cartel, or selling their equipment.

Perhaps a stricter look should be taken at the mexican militaries actions and dealings before simply assuming that since the weapon is an M-4 it must have come straight over the border from the us purchased legally. (which you can't do with a fully automatic m-4. the ARs yes, the m-4s and grenade launchers no)

It seems to me that most violent crime in the US is not about robbery, it's about personal relations.

It's a guy attacking his spouse, or a friend fighting a friend over being "dissed". In other words, disrespected. Generally, they get violent to protect their honor, and their reputation, it's not necessarily about protecting their property, or stealing another person's property. Most violent crime in the US is between people who know each other. It's intimate.

The hearder vs. farmer theory is a bit of a stretch. Sounds like some ridiculous radical left vegan propaganda to me.

Originally Posted by Captain Trips

Suggesting what ?

1. More crazy people in the U.S. ?

2. More people with guns in the U.S. ?

3. More crazy people WITH guns in the U.S. ?

Than many other countries? Yes*, because the US has more people, period. It is the third largest country by population in the world. The other two countries are India and China. I do question how accurately those countries' governments record mass shootings and murder in general, though.

*I'd still like to see a source.

Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir3

'Ghetto' isn't a 'Jewish' term, Hoss.

Actually it's Italian, but it's regarding Jews.

Originally used in Venice to describe the area where Jews were compelled to live, a ghetto is now described as a "portion of a city in which members of a minority group live; especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure."

Ghetto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by MattInFla

My God, what ever happend to English resolve? "Just do what they want and hope they don't hurt you?"

Good damn thing that wasn't the prevailing attitude in the 1940's, or we'd be having this conversation in German.

Seriously, can you ring someone up and ask for the nation's testicles back?

We'll put up a fight, but not when its pointless. Money and cards are retrivable. Have you ever been mugged BTW?

Originally Posted by smurf

Would those "criminals" to which you refer include rapists?

Oh, please. Lets reach for the most extreme example shall we? Of course it dosn't include rapist but if a guy is in a position to rape you I very much doubt he's going to be using his gun-or that your in any position to resist.

A gun, and the willingness to use it.

Right, and at what point in this will you get a chance to use it?

Originally Posted by smurf

I can certainly imagine what would have happened if a law abiding citizen had had a gun.

Yes he'd have got shot while reaching for it. Tell me, when was the last time one of these masscars was stopped by a citizen with a gun?

Originally Posted by reality

yet you guys seem to be very capable at it! kudos!:rolleyes:

And yet our murder rate is around 1/3 of yours and dropping. 15 years and counting since out last masscar. 1 day and counting for you guys...

Originally Posted by WharfedaleTiger

Oh, please. Lets reach for the most extreme example shall we? Of course it dosn't include rapist but if a guy is in a position to rape you I very much doubt he's going to be using his gun-or that your in any position to resist.

No one's raping me, I'm a man. I was just checking to see if your victim mentality of 'let the attacker have what he wants and he won't hurt you' also applied to women.

Originally Posted by WharfedaleTiger

Right, and at what point in this will you get a chance to use it?

Immediately after I take it from my holster.

Originally Posted by WharfedaleTiger

Oh, please. Lets reach for the most extreme example shall we? Of course it dosn't include rapist but if a guy is in a position to rape you I very much doubt he's going to be using his gun-or that your in any position to resist.

Rape or robbery, you're losing something if you submit to it, be it your virginity or your money.

Originally Posted by WharfedaleTiger

Yes he'd have got shot while reaching for it. Tell me, when was the last time one of these masscars was stopped by a citizen with a gun?

Probably this week some time, or maybe last week... it's hard to tell because it doesn't fit the media's agenda when a citizen uses a gun to save lives, so they bury it on page 37, if they bother to report it at all.

Edit: Who would shoot the citizen, the maniac with the knife?