Thread: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

Such irony...any other time, I'd be laughing with you...

Oh, it's from Despair, Inc. - Creators of Demotivators® Posters, Calendar, Coffee Mugs, Apparel and More - it's intended to be a slam against BP.

Originally Posted by goober

BP has one of the worst safety records of the major oil companies.
BP Has a History of Blasts and Oil Spills - NYTimes.com

That's the way business works, you take a chance, if it works, you look smart, if it doesn't you look stupid.
BP saved some money by skimping on safety, and now the payback comes.
They lose business, their margins decline, their stock declines, maybe they get taken over by another company, maybe they liquidate.

is that way OBAMA was about to give them an AWARD for saftey the Friday that teh explosion happened?

Originally Posted by goober

You guys are desperate.......

VERY desperate. Obama isn't Bush guys. You can't make him Bush either. This thread is laughable and pathetic but predictable.

Originally Posted by Danny

VERY desperate. Obama isn't Bush guys. You can't make him Bush either. This thread is laughable and pathetic but predictable.

I agree with you here - Obama rally hasn't done anything wrong in the handling of this that I can identify.

Matt

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

The majority of the people did nothing wrong and it sucks for them but BP isn't doing enough to help the 1000's of people they've put out of work. There are many who make their living year round in the Gulf and it could be years they're able to work there again and yet, BP wants to give them one month's wages based on an average of the past three years using Jan., Feb., and March, the slowest time of the year, to figure it. Summer months is when these guys make the most money and while averaging Jan., Feb., and March may pay part of April's wages, it's nowhere close to paying the months of May, June, July, etc. The shrimpers and fishermen make a very modest living and many live in little "camps" (small houses) on the water. They don't get rich out there but they make enough to pay for their boats, their homes and put food on the table and now, they don't know how long it will be before they can get back to their jobs...it could take years. For men who grew up working in the Gulf, it's going to be exceptionally hard to find another job because they aren't skilled in anything else. They'll end up trying to sell their boats but with no fishing and shrimping in the area, it's going to be hard to get rid of them. My son-in-law's boat sits in the slip ready to go but now, it's nothing more than a huge paper weight. He's one of the lucky one's though because he owns another business unrelated to the shrimping industry.
BP may employ thousand's of people but they've killed an industry that is vital to the people of the Gulf Coast and they should have to pay for it. They don't want to put up the cash so they need to be boycotted out of business. Their employees will at least be able to draw unemployment checks which is more than most fishermen will be able to do.

So your opinion is that a company which has an accident should pay to rebuild the entire market? How far does that extend? Fisherman who arent using their boats arent buying gas, so the gas stations dont have revenue. SHould BP pay them too? That means less tax dollars, more borrowing, should BP pay the interest?

Your simple blame and boycott is not well thought out.

Originally Posted by jviehe

So your opinion is that a company which has an accident should pay to rebuild the entire market? How far does that extend? Fisherman who arent using their boats arent buying gas, so the gas stations dont have revenue. SHould BP pay them too? That means less tax dollars, more borrowing, should BP pay the interest?

Your simple blame and boycott is not well thought out.

Obviously you're the one that hasn't thought this out. BP's negligence has cost not only the shrimpers and the marinas, but also the seafood restaurants and the seafood stores throughout the south. I know many of these business owners personally and without the local products, they won't be able to remain open. We're talking about business that have been here for 50 years! Hell, yeah, they should all be compensated but it won't ever happen so, yes, boycott BP and put their asses out of business. They've fucked up in a huge way and I want them out of the Gulf of Mexico!

What negligence? You seem to know exactly what happend. Enlighten us. I find it interesting that you are willing to put others out of jobs to get revenge for your own.

Originally Posted by jviehe

What negligence? You seem to know exactly what happend. Enlighten us. I find it interesting that you are willing to put others out of jobs to get revenge for your own.

Besides the history that Goober posted, there's the link I posted earlier:

Safety fluid was removed before oil rig exploded in Gulf | NOLA.com

It's unfortunate that BP workers would be out of a job but tough shit. BP has put MINE out of work possibly for years to come so the easiest way to prevent this from happening again is to get them out of the Gulf. They've already proven they have a bad track record so the hell with them.

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

Obviously you're the one that hasn't thought this out. BP's negligence has cost not only the shrimpers and the marinas, but also the seafood restaurants and the seafood stores throughout the south. I know many of these business owners personally and without the local products, they won't be able to remain open. We're talking about business that have been here for 50 years! Hell, yeah, they should all be compensated but it won't ever happen so, yes, boycott BP and put their asses out of business. They've fucked up in a huge way and I want them out of the Gulf of Mexico!

I thought you said it was the LDWF that stopped the fishing. Their decision to delay the shrimp season was
"based on the potential effects from the Gulf oil spill"

So the decision was not based on actual effects, but on "potential" effects.

Things that make you go Hmmmm.

After my experience getting turned back by Blanco's State troopers weilding shotguns in the aftermath of Katrina... quite frankly, Mrs. M, I don't trust the motivations of any fucking Louisiana govt. corrupt piece of shit fucktards.

Govt, officials shut down the fisheries, NOT BP. That is the fact of the matter.

I've seen no justifiable reason for them to outlaw fishing yet.

Originally Posted by hairballxavier

I thought you said it was the LDWF whose decision to delay the shrimp season was
"based on the potential effects from the Gulf oil spill"

So the decision was not based on actual effects, but on "potential" effects.

Things that make you go Hmmmm.

After my experience getting turned back by Blanco's State troopers weilding shotguns in the aftermath of Katrina... quite frankly, Mrs. M, I don't trust the motivations of any fucking Louisiana govt. corrupt piece of shit fucktards.

They shut down the fisheries, NOT BP. That is the fact of the matter.

I've seen no justifiable reason for them to outlaw fishing yet.

Wildlife and Fisheries opened the season early and for a very short time only but the shrimp weren't mature enough to warrant the cost of trawling. They are currently shutting down areas as they are most likely to be affected by the spill. If BP had not had this "accident", then no areas would have to be shut down so don't go blaming the Wildlife and Fisheries for BP's ineptness.

As to being turned away after Katrina, without knowing the circumstances, I can't say if I agree or disagree with the decision.

I blame the President for reversing his own stance on offshore drilling, but on the disaster itself, I just don't understand the argument that somehow the POTUS is responsible for saving the day down there. The POTUS, in a disaster like this is just one of many actors on the stage, but the bottom line on whose problem it falls to is with the company that owns the oil rig. It's their job to run their business properly, and it's the public sector's job to set in place standards and regulations. On that note, you'd have to go back to Dick Cheney's secret energy policy meetings with mostly oil companies and all the deregulation that went with it.

Haliburton is now the prime suspect in the explosion. They were employed to pour the cement and seal the pipeline, and experts have already said that faulty pouring of cement is the likely cause of the explosion, just like the explosion last year off of Australia where Haliburton did a crappy job pouring cement, too.

If you bill your new oil rig as one of the most technologically advanced in the world, but then it comes out that you actually had no back-up plans drafted up to cover every kind of emergency or the proper resources to contain the emergency, and you simply got away with not having to have any plans in place because the laws were lacks, than the blame must fall on the business in question, and then on the public sector for not regulating private industry properly.

The conservative argument that this is Obama's Katrina goes against their very own philosophy that the POTUS and the Feds shouldn't even be involved in state matters, which is why conservatives blame Louisiana politicians and authorities for Katrina more than they blamed Bush or Brownie. So on this one, conservatives ought to be taking the side of "individual responsibility" again instead of scapegoating the President here.

BP should rightfully have to pay for their gross misconduct and neglect. And then the Congress ought to draft out smarter and tougher regulations on careless corporate plunderers and renew the entire superfund dedicated to the cleanup of environmental catastrophes that all big polluters used to be forced to contribute to.

BP has ruined people's lives, let alone a fragile ecosystem to boot, and they and Haliburton should be investigated to the fullest extent of the law for their careless disregard of not only animal life, but the lives of it's own citizens and consumers.

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

Besides the history that Goober posted, there's the link I posted earlier:

Safety fluid was removed before oil rig exploded in Gulf | NOLA.com

It's unfortunate that BP workers would be out of a job but tough shit. BP has put MINE out of work possibly for years to come so the easiest way to prevent this from happening again is to get them out of the Gulf. They've already proven they have a bad track record so the hell with them.

So what in that article indicates negligence? According to the company and evidence, they followed procedure.

but if OBAMA did not force them to be mroe careful is the federal government responsible? heh :p