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    Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator View Post
    well bush took heat for not 'funding ' the levies......if the booms weren't there, well? They can both take heat for that. Of course we need not bother with the 911 allegories.

    My concern is the burning issue, IF sop was to burn, and, it was stopped as it was, due to environmental issues, well, I have to think on that and read more, clearly it doesn't seem to me anyone may have considered what would be worse, if the oil continued to slake or the sky was fouled, as to relative damage. We are however about to find out. I suspect we are going to wish we burned all we could and kept burning.
    So you are saying that this oil spill is an Act of God. predictable and can be planned for??

    Yet not to long ago you and others were spouting "drill, baby, drill" and making fun of the do-gooders who were worried about exactly this scenario?

    Your position is basically "Drill, baby, drill, nothing can go wrong! And if something does go wrong, we can blame it on Obama." Is that pretty much your position?
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    All the Drill Baby Drill people have to stfu now for a change, because their dreams of deregulation have all come crashing down.

    That any of 'em would actually come out and now take the position that the federal gov't should have been on top of how big business conducts it's business is the height of hypocrisy for them.

    We now know that BP didn't have any kind of plan to deal with such a catastrophe. Why? Because this was one of the most technologically advanced rigs in the world and simply "too big to fail" just like the banks, just like the Titanic. What a reckless point of view.

    This issue just deals one more blow to those who think that big corporations are actually serving us in any kind of useful way.

    No Republican can run on domestic drilling now or anytime soon. They'll not only lose if they take that position, but they'll be seen as a national punchline.

    I supported the President less before the spill, because he cynically put the domestic drilling issue in the energy bill in order to once again try to get some conservative votes on his side, which is a futile thing to do with a group of people who have already decided you're evil and who will vote against their own interests or principles because of their blind hatred.

    I blame BP for conducting ultimately reckless business practices, because it not only hurts American workers, but also the economy at large, and more importantly, our precious ecosystem.

    The gov't wouldn't have even had to step in here if big oil were operating and conducting their business properly, with their shareholders interests in mind. It's just a wickedly bad business proposition to say you're going to go to a deeper spot in the ocean to get oil and not have a plan in place to deal with possible setbacks or catastrophes.

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    Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator View Post
    well bush took heat for not 'funding ' the levies......if the booms weren't there, well? They can both take heat for that. Of course we need not bother with the 911 allegories.

    My concern is the burning issue, IF sop was to burn, and, it was stopped as it was, due to environmental issues, well, I have to think on that and read more, clearly it doesn't seem to me anyone may have considered what would be worse, if the oil continued to slake or the sky was fouled, as to relative damage. We are however about to find out. I suspect we are going to wish we burned all we could and kept burning.
    I heard burning only removes 3% of the oil anyway, so it's not such an amazing solution.

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    Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

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    You mean that Brownie isn't doing a heck of a job?

    Brownie? omg, I never expected you to be racist.
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    This isn't a spill, where there's a certain limited amount of oil spilling into the sea from the top of the water where booms can stop it from spreading. This is an unlimited amount of oil coming from miles under the sea, some of which comes to the top. Booms aren't really working.

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    Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by headbanger View Post
    Brownie? omg, I never expected you to be racist.
    racist? oh. I thought he was making a scatological remark.
    "There is no gain in arguing with a poo flinging monkey. While his
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    Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Martin View Post
    racist? oh. I thought he was making a scatological remark.
    perhaps I mistook his comment.
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    Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by headbanger View Post
    perhaps I mistook his comment.

    lol...

    We messed with his mind. Job well done.
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    Not really that well done actually.

    Kinda dumb....

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    Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Queen View Post
    This isn't a spill, where there's a certain limited amount of oil spilling into the sea from the top of the water where booms can stop it from spreading. This is an unlimited amount of oil coming from miles under the sea, some of which comes to the top. Booms aren't really working.
    True. What should we all be calling it? "Spill" is no longer the right word - its no longer a spill, its more like an eruption.
    "There is no gain in arguing with a poo flinging monkey. While his
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    Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Marcel View Post
    All the Drill Baby Drill people have to stfu now for a change, because their dreams of deregulation have all come crashing down.
    Did your car suddenly start running on pixie dust?

    These people who think they can legislate perfection need to put down the bong an rejoin reality.

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    Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Commodore View Post
    Did your car suddenly start running on pixie dust?

    These people who think they can legislate perfection need to put down the bong an rejoin reality.
    So, the defense is "We have to do this in a dangerous way because... well... because."
    "There is no gain in arguing with a poo flinging monkey. While his
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    Quote Originally Posted by headbanger View Post
    Brownie? omg, I never expected you to be racist.
    Lol, he was referring to Michael Brown of FEMA.
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    Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Marcel View Post
    All the Drill Baby Drill people have to stfu now for a change, because their dreams of deregulation have all come crashing down.
    Wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Marcel View Post
    That any of 'em would actually come out and now take the position that the federal gov't should have been on top of how big business conducts it's business is the height of hypocrisy for them.
    Who has done that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Marcel View Post
    We now know that BP didn't have any kind of plan to deal with such a catastrophe. Why? Because this was one of the most technologically advanced rigs in the world and simply "too big to fail" just like the banks, just like the Titanic. What a reckless point of view.
    Wrong, again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Marcel View Post
    This issue just deals one more blow to those who think that big corporations are actually serving us in any kind of useful way.
    Incredibly wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Marcel View Post
    No Republican can run on domestic drilling now or anytime soon. They'll not only lose if they take that position, but they'll be seen as a national punchline.
    Upon what shall they run, a return to horse drawn buggies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Marcel View Post
    I supported the President less before the spill, because he cynically put the domestic drilling issue in the energy bill in order to once again try to get some conservative votes on his side, which is a futile thing to do with a group of people who have already decided you're evil and who will vote against their own interests or principles because of their blind hatred.

    I blame BP for conducting ultimately reckless business practices, because it not only hurts American workers, but also the economy at large, and more importantly, our precious ecosystem.

    The gov't wouldn't have even had to step in here if big oil were operating and conducting their business properly, with their shareholders interests in mind. It's just a wickedly bad business proposition to say you're going to go to a deeper spot in the ocean to get oil and not have a plan in place to deal with possible setbacks or catastrophes.


    You should take a valium or something.

    If cars ran on emotional liberal rants devoid of facts instead of gasoline, we wouldn't need to drill for oil.
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    Re: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator View Post
    well bush took heat for not 'funding ' the levies......if the booms weren't there, well? They can both take heat for that. Of course we need not bother with the 911 allegories.

    My concern is the burning issue, IF sop was to burn, and, it was stopped as it was, due to environmental issues, well, I have to think on that and read more, clearly it doesn't seem to me anyone may have considered what would be worse, if the oil continued to slake or the sky was fouled, as to relative damage. We are however about to find out. I suspect we are going to wish we burned all we could and kept burning.
    Apparently, there's been a policy in place since 1984 allowing for the burn without a lot of red tape. The first few days after the explosion, we had a northerly wind which was perfect for conducting the burn but once the winds shifted to the south, burning was no longer an option. To be fair, BP did underestimate the amount of oil that was leaking and if the robot subs had worked, burning would have been unnecessary. Also, the oil is a much heavier grade than originally thought.
    A big problem now is the dispersant chemicals...sure, they break up the surface oil but it's got to go somewhere so it sinks to the ocean floor. While it saves wildlife and vegetation along the coastline, it's going to be hell for the fishing industry quite some time.





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