Thread: Obama's bumbling of the oil spill

Originally Posted by Moonglow

Why is it that repubs/conserves/libertarians always want govt. out of business and personal affairs, yet are the first to claim this is the govt.s business and we need to help private companies with their fubars?

You obviously don't understand the economic impact this will have on the entire NATION, do you?:rolleyes:

In 1999 President Clinton extended the U.S.'s contiguous zone from 12 to 24 miles.

Originally Posted by goober

Well, in a very shallow analysis, you may be right, but assuming you spent more than say 10 seconds thinking about it, you'd realize a few things.

Bush appointed a guy who was a fundraiser to head FEMA, no emergency management experience at all, his actual experience was that he hired judges for horse shows, but he got fired from that job. Brown was the guy who bungled it, quicker action could have saved hundreds of lives.
Bush screwed up when he determined that the job of managing the response to emergencies which threatened the American people should be used to reward a crony, who was completely unfit for that job.

The government has responded to this oil leak about as fast as anyone can reasonably expect the the government to respond to anything. If they had been a day or two quicker, it wouldn't have made much difference as to the outcome.

So that's why history blames Bush for Katrina, and won't blame Obama for this.

799 people died in all of LA due to katrina, and what could bush had done to stop that?

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

You obviously don't understand the economic impact this will have on the entire NATION, do you?:rolleyes:

I am quite aware, that is why class action lawsuits have aready been filed and partially paid by BP, not the USof A

Originally Posted by CSA

799 people died in all of LA due to katrina, and what could bush had done to stop that?

wow. A loaded question. What could GW have done? He could have, for starters, told Turd Blossom to shut up and forget the politics for a while. GW could have sent competent people into the disaster are. GW could have shown leadership instead of sliding down into partisan bickering and finger pointing. GW could have kept in mind that America faces many threats. By focusing every agency and every resource on defeating terrorism GW left all the other risks with a free face to hit America.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

wow. A loaded question. What could GW have done? He could have, for starters, told Turd Blossom to shut up and forget the politics for a while. GW could have sent competent people into the disaster are. GW could have shown leadership instead of sliding down into partisan bickering and finger pointing. GW could have kept in mind that America faces many threats. By focusing every agency and every resource on defeating terrorism GW left all the other risks with a free face to hit America.

Are you aware that those that died should were told by the weather forecasters to get the hell out? Are you aware that some of those people died DURING the storm because they refused to evacuate from dangerous areas? Seriously, when the Lake Pontchartrain is your back yard, shouldn't you have enough sense to evacuate? My mayor (north of New Orleans) issued a MANDATORY evac and some still refused to leave...they either drowned or swam out because there was NO WAY to get to them during the storm. Granted, Nagin didn't issue a mandatory evac in time but when forecasters are telling you "this is the one", why would you wait for your local government to tell you to leave???? But yeah, it's all Bush's fault.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

wow. A loaded question. What could GW have done? He could have, for starters, told Turd Blossom to shut up and forget the politics for a while. GW could have sent competent people into the disaster are. GW could have shown leadership instead of sliding down into partisan bickering and finger pointing. GW could have kept in mind that America faces many threats. By focusing every agency and every resource on defeating terrorism GW left all the other risks with a free face to hit America.

how many people were rescued by the military from katrina, in the days following the storm?

Are you saying bush was supposed to send the military in BEFORE the storm to force people to leave?

*rubs his eyes*

yarrr mates!

today comes a most troublin' assertion, and this time the shot across the bow be not fired from a radio personality....but from an officer with mighty credentials. 'tis none other than one who has served as FEMA director fer our fine land, aye.

Former FEMA head Michael Brown appeared on Your World with Neil Cavuto today to further the latest Fox News meme that the horrific oil spill off Louisiana is President Obama’s Katrina - but with the added twist that Obama deliberately sabotaged the response in order to advance his anti-drilling agenda.

Brown later said, "We knew what was going on, and how bad it was." (referring to Katrina). He added that he assumed that while BP may have told the Coast Guard that the spill was under control, “EPA should have been there, themselves, verifying whether that’s true or not. I think they just dropped the ball. I don't think they care."

News Hounds: Fox News Trots Out ?Heckuva Job Brownie? To Accuse Obama Of Deliberately Turning Oil Spill Into Obama?s Katrina

the sage and experienced Brown repeated these assertions on Hardball, rawr!

i'll tell you mateys this, if this bit 'o wisdom (somethin' you'll never see the left leanin' NYT report on) is proven true, the president 'o the united states of america should be bought before a court, tarred and feathered.

its unspeakable that the president would deliberately delay response, endangerin' the entire gulf coast, fer political reasons.

*puts his foot down*

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

*rubs his eyes*

yarrr mates!

today comes a most troublin' assertion, and this time the shot across the bow be not fired from a radio personality....but from an officer with mighty credentials. 'tis none other than one who has served as FEMA director fer our fine land, aye.


News Hounds: Fox News Trots Out ?Heckuva Job Brownie? To Accuse Obama Of Deliberately Turning Oil Spill Into Obama?s Katrina

the sage and experienced Brown repeated these assertions on Hardball, rawr!

i'll tell you mateys this, if this bit 'o wisdom (somethin' you'll never see the left leanin' NYT report on) is proven true, the president 'o the united states of america should be bought before a court, tarred and feathered.

its unspeakable that the president would deliberately delay response, endangerin' the entire gulf coast, fer political reasons.

*puts his foot down*

- MeadHallPirate

Brownie's full of shit. It's pathetic that the right wing and their mouthpiece would make these kinds of accusations.

The platform is 50 MILES off the coast. What, exactly, would the EPA have done with a still-burning (and now under 5000' of water) oil drilling platform?

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Exactly. It's the new right-wing strategy - throw as much shit as the wall as possible and hope something sticks.

Unfortunately for them, they're still just monkeys throwing shit at the walls.

uh huh, sounds like the old katrina refrain; the local gov. bumbled and bush took the brunt, IF he had told fema to move regardless of what blanco and nagin said, well.....of course the moral being bush took the heat in any event.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Well, that'll confuse him. Those facty-thingy's don't work so well for righties.

of course goober left out the fact that obama took a bunch of money from , oops, big oil ala BP...so if the brownie allegory holds, so does this.....facts are in some cases what one makes them, but in the end, they are there, one should be careful what facts one wishes to parse, OR not, its a wash.

and of course the former head of the nooa, who spoke to the 94 SOP, well, I guess hes in the bag too.

Originally Posted by Imperator

uh huh, sounds like the old katrina refrain; the local gov. bumbled and bush took the brunt, IF he had told fema to move regardless of what blanco and nagin said, well.....of course the moral being bush took the heat in any event.

:rolleyes:

Of course, the problem with Katrina was that Bush appointed Brownie, and Brownie was a complete fucktard

err

Palin-American.

As a result, he fucked around with FEMA, and FEMA bungled the response. That is why Bush took heat.

Now, is there any evidence that Obama did something similar?

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

*rubs his eyes*

yarrr mates!

today comes a most troublin' assertion, and this time the shot across the bow be not fired from a radio personality....but from an officer with mighty credentials. 'tis none other than one who has served as FEMA director fer our fine land, aye.


News Hounds: Fox News Trots Out ?Heckuva Job Brownie? To Accuse Obama Of Deliberately Turning Oil Spill Into Obama?s Katrina

the sage and experienced Brown repeated these assertions on Hardball, rawr!

i'll tell you mateys this, if this bit 'o wisdom (somethin' you'll never see the left leanin' NYT report on) is proven true, the president 'o the united states of america should be bought before a court, tarred and feathered.

its unspeakable that the president would deliberately delay response, endangerin' the entire gulf coast, fer political reasons.

*puts his foot down*

- MeadHallPirate

your link is broken it appears, ( I read it or tried too:rolleyes

News Hounds: Fox News Trots Out ?Heckuva Job Brownie? To Accuse Obama Of Deliberately Turning Oil Spill Into Obama?s Katrina