Thread: Biden says voters won't like Republican alternative

Originally Posted by hairballxavier

Actually there are no laws that prevent self-described "gay" people from getting married.

True. The laws simply prevent them from marrying the person of their choice (obviously when the other person agrees) .... which is kind of obvious when you're talking about marriage. Who the fuck would marry someone who WASN'T their first choice in a free society?

So that argument doesn't hold even a molecule of water.

Originally Posted by Federalitarian

As for free lunch, I think Obama made it pretty clear that he hopes to pay for this sort of stuff with higher taxes on the rich. He's been pretty honest about that.

And as far as the deficit, it's a longstanding and reputable economic theory that deficit spending during a recession/depression in order to fund federal stimulus is the best way to recovery.

One can disagree or think that theory is wrong, but it's not some pie-in-the-sky fantasy that no reputable mainstream economist agrees with.

NO, you are dead wrong, Obama spent over a trillion and nothing but failure, economy in the tank, unemployment hovering at 10%, a deficit exceeding 13 trillion and growing by 1.5 trillion a year. And you wish to add more failure to the deficit.

You and Obam'a approach is dead wrong, you and Obama should take a page from JFK. Watch this video it will open your eyes, Reagan did exactly the same thing as JFK and created the largest economic expansion in US History. Obama could only wish for a thin slice of Reagan's economic expansion.
YouTube - Income Tax Cut, JFK Hopes To Spur Economy 1962/8/13

That's not a recession recovery strategy, that's not a way to recreate middleclass jobs; it's a way to expand the GDP when the economy is already doing ok.

Let me put this in terms you can understand: the problem with the recession is not that the national economy is weak, the problem is the people suffering and with lost prosperity.

Federal stimulus is the best way to restore that prosperity, whereas supplyside only permanently enshrines that poverty and makes it a mark of national pride.

Supplyside can't put people who lost their middleclass status thanks to Wall Street back in the middleclass, it can only make the rich richer and poor poorer.

I don't care if even as the gap between rich and poor increases dramatically as it has since Reagan that having so much in the hands of the rich might still lead to enhancements in living conditions for said poor, they'll still be poor.

I could live like a billionaire but if I could be bought and sold a million times over by a powerful minority I'm still poor.

Disparity is in itself a problem, we can't just create a huge disparity and then just be glad if the poor get trickled down enough to have better conditions as technology improves.

With a more equal system they still get the better conditions of technological advancement, combined with having their deserved share of prosperity.


You spamming that JFK video won't change anything. JFK was admirable in being a strongwilled Cold War liberal, but worshiping at the altar of a mortal man is idiotic.

Originally Posted by Federalitarian

That's not a recession recovery strategy, that's not a way to recreate middleclass jobs; it's a way to expand the GDP when the economy is already doing ok.

Oh really look at the video again

Let me put this in terms you can understand: the problem with the recession is not that the national economy is weak, the problem is the people suffering and with lost prosperity.

You call an economy growing a 1.5% a strong economy, this economy is as weak as it can get and by the way it's headed toward another recession.

Federal stimulus is the best way to restore that prosperity, whereas supplyside only permanently enshrines that poverty and makes it a mark of national pride.

Once again you refuse to see the light, it's just above your head. The trillion dollar stimulus if a failure.

Supplyside can't put people who lost their middleclass status thanks to Wall Street back in the middleclass, it can only make the rich richer and poor poorer.

And by spending a trillion dollars in a failed stimulus the poor are richer now than before.

I don't care if even as the gap between rich and poor increases dramatically as it has since Reagan that having so much in the hands of the rich might still lead to enhancements in living conditions for said poor, they'll still be poor.

Why are the poor, poor? Could it maybe be no education, no desire to work, want to play video games rather than work, lazy, rely on entitlements by big government, no wonder illegals are taking 12 million good American jobs, they're willing to work.

I could live like a billionaire but if I could be bought and sold a million times over by a powerful minority I'm still poor.

Your poor because you want to be, this country provides the best opertunity to succeed if you want. Student loans are available, entrepreneurship is always at your finger tips, work hard and you will be rewarded.

Disparity is in itself a problem, we can't just create a huge disparity and then just be glad if the poor get trickled down enough to have better conditions as technology improves.

Companies need workers, workers need companies, that is the relationship toward prosperity for all.

With a more equal system they still get the better conditions of technological advancement, combined with having their deserved share of prosperity.

Read my statement above, same answer

You spamming that JFK video won't change anything. JFK was admirable in being a strongwilled Cold War liberal, but worshiping at the altar of a mortal man is idiotic.

You call it spamming, I call what JFK and Reagan did made this country more prosperous than anything Obama is doing and that is a fact. One that you wish to not acknowledge.

My entire point is that for a lot of people maximizing GDP growth is not the goal!

You completely miss that and assume that your subjective metrics are the same for everyone and that I'm just lying or incompetent.

Some people are opposite at all the looting of the middle and lower classes in the name of rapid GDP growth, which is party of why a progressive wing Democrat was elected.

And considering even the New Dems are Third Way Economics Keynesians, ala Clinton even in peacetime (just less tough in terms of regulation, hence the caving on glass-steagle), it's pretty ridiculous to act outraged or shocked that Obama brought Keynesian economics advisers into the White House with him.


People don't all live in the same subjective version of reality as you, to a lot of us supplyside doesn't work, GDP growth at the cost of increased income disparity is BAD not GOOD, and the primary concern during a Recession is to restore people's livelihoods not to get the stock market up or minimize debt.

If we go taxcuts and cut needed programs now we'll just cement permanent underclasshood for all those robbed by this Wall Street caused man made recession. But that's what Conservatives seem to want, the Conservative plan is for hardworking people to become cheap overqualified peons so that the major corporations can save money. The dream of Republicans is to relocate Malaysian sweatshops here to save on shipping costs, while getting just as cheap labor from the new serfs of corporate America.


Sheesh, if anyone is making way for a socialist revolution it's Conservatives; who seem to want to push everyone except for the superrich into the proletariat. It's progressives who want to save the middleclass from the cancer Reagan wrought.