Thread: Storms today - AL Gore - a consequence of man-made global warming

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

Whenever the kleptocracy sees an opportunity they move in for the profit.

The science around global warming and what we can do about it really needs cooler heads to prevail and Al Gore does keep adding fuel to the fire. He's bringing a lot of heat his way when it'd be more beneficial if he would just chill out. Any warm reception he may have had to the scientific community has long ago cooled. He may think he's carrying the flame for the cause, but he's really iced over his relationship with everyone but his most hardcore supporters. And I think that's about as many sentences as I can go using temperature related words.

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

If Al Gore were an opportunist, he would have been an oil man all these years and not a bureaucrat who only got rich after the age of 50.

Gore is definitely not as opportunistic as the Bush family has been, I'll give you that.

Originally Posted by Occam's Razor

I've seen "An Inconvenient Truth". It's a good film even if it spends a little too much time on Gore's personal life. The science in the film is sound and is a good summary of what global warming is about.

There's a lot of crappy science in the film with a few sound bits, a heap of speculation with creative data presentation and it's an ego driven propaganda piece that mostly preaches to the choir.

It's sad it took a kleptocratic poster boy who pandered to the left to get many people to consider the problems global warming could present.

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

There's a lot of crappy science in the film with a few sound bits, a heap of speculation with creative data presentation and it's an ego driven propaganda piece that mostly preaches to the choir.

Would you mind citing some examples?

Originally Posted by Occam's Razor

Would you mind citing some examples?

It got plant respiration wrong as I recall.

An English Court found there were a number of errors in the film:Gore's climate film has scientific errors - judge | Environment | The Guardian

35 errors in the film:
35 Inconvenient Truths: The errors in Al Gore?s movie | Monckton

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Sounds like a good summary to me.

Some people still seem to think that the debate is stuck at "is the planet getting warmer". Yes, it is getting warmer. That is pretty much unanimously agreed upon. Our effect on that warming and if we can do anything about it is where the debate has long moved to.

And then Al Gore comes in and ruins everything.

Actually, it is not "unanimously agreed upon" that the planet is getting warmer, in fact there had been little to no warming over a decade.

That said, the planet is ALWAYS either warming or cooling, the global climate has never been and will never be static over any reasonable period of time it is monitored.

My point it that we have absolutely no conclusive evidence (no climate model yet has accurately forecast climate change based on the theories of how man is impacting it).

Originally Posted by Marcus1124

Actually, it is not "unanimously agreed upon" that the planet is getting warmer, in fact there had been little to no warming over a decade.

Well, you should send NASA a stern email, because they seem to say differently.

Climate Change: News

That said, the planet is ALWAYS either warming or cooling, the global climate has never been and will never be static over any reasonable period of time it is monitored.

My point it that we have absolutely no conclusive evidence (no climate model yet has accurately forecast climate change based on the theories of how man is impacting it).

I'm not going to disagree with you there.

Well. There is a third possible answer.

We can very well be in the midst of a natural climate shift due to the slight wobble of the Earth's axis which can be exacerbated by greenhouse gas emissions.

Add to that the fact that we are in a La Niña weather pattern right now which explains things pretty good.

Across North America during La Niña, increased precipitation is diverted into the Pacific Northwest due to a more northerly storm track and jet stream.[41] The storm track shifts far enough northward to bring wetter than normal conditions (in the form of increased snowfall) to the Midwestern states, as well as hot and dry summers.[42][43] Snowfall is above normal across the Pacific Northwest and western Great Lakes.[37] Across the North Atlantic, the jet stream is stronger than normal, which directs stronger systems with increased precipitation towards Europe.[44]

Climate change/global warming, greenhouse gasses and La Niña can be found at the root of the current weather we are experiencing. The question is which one of these is having the greatest impact?

The Jet stream, to me is the most important element. As temperatures and barometric pressures fluctuate, the jet stream becomes more erratic to the point of being unpredictable at times. As more ice melts into the seas, desalination becomes more and more of an issue (even more than rising sea levels in my opinion) because its the salt in the ocean that drives the currents and subsequently weather patterns. When things get bad enough, we will start seeing snowfall in June and not because of global "cooling" but because the jet stream could shift in a way that funnels very cold air from the arctic as far down Georgia.

We can bicker about what is causing it but it is undeniable that the world's climate is indeed changing and there will be serious consequences unless we find a way to mitigate and prepare for the worst.

Originally Posted by Occam's Razor

Much like evolution, global warming and its connections to man's actions is abstract and generally requires a level of comprehension and an educational background usually lacking in the average person.

:rolleyes: Bullshit. I am sorry, but if the priest of any sect told me it required a level of comprehension lacking in the average person, I'd question the value of that sect's methods and principles. If the average person cannot grasp the difference between bad politicized science and honest research I'm pretty sure, they slept through most of high school science class. Thankfully most scientists don't hold to this idea. You may not be able to do the math of partical physics, but you should be able to recognize the implications of the principles behind the math. E=MC2 really is simple math.

I'm amazed that there are still people clinging to the idea of global warming. I don't expect Al Gore to give up on his delusions, his investments would suffer if he publicly admitted he was full of it. But to find otherwise intelligent people expressing belief in the theory of anthropomorphic global warming ... well its just a bit ...

Oh, well. You can still find people who believe in eugenics and a flat Earth.

tashi deleks,

M

Originally Posted by Mahasattva

:rolleyes: Bullshit. I am sorry, but if the priest of any sect told me it required a level of comprehension lacking in the average person, I'd question the value of that sect's methods and principles. If the average person cannot grasp the difference between bad politicized science and honest research I'm pretty sure, they slept through most of high school science class. Thankfully most scientists don't hold to this idea. You may not be able to do the math of partical physics, but you should be able to recognize the implications of the principles behind the math. E=MC2 really is simple math.

I'm amazed that there are still people clinging to the idea of global warming. I don't expect Al Gore to give up on his delusions, his investments would suffer if he publicly admitted he was full of it. But to find otherwise intelligent people expressing belief in the theory of anthropomorphic global warming ... well its just a bit ...

Oh, well. You can still find people who believe in eugenics and a flat Earth.

tashi deleks,

M

Apparently, you're unaware that the majority of scientists support global warming.

Originally Posted by jpn

Warm air retains more moisture than cool air.

As the Earth warms, the increased moisture will result in more precipitation.

:rolleyes: Except the Earth has not been warming since the mid-90s. The trend has turned around. And the fact is that during the warming trend, most of the warming occured during the winter months.

The rest of your post is childish trivial and unworthy of comment.

tashi deleks,

M

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

It got plant respiration wrong as I recall.

An English Court found there were a number of errors in the film:Gore's climate film has scientific errors - judge | Environment | The Guardian

35 errors in the film:
35 Inconvenient Truths: The errors in Al Gore?s movie | Monckton

Good points. I need to go back and watch it again to match it up with these examples.

it either snows, or it don't.