Thread: Storms today - AL Gore - a consequence of man-made global warming

Originally Posted by Andrewl

No predictions of global warming have ever said winter or snow would just magically disappear.

Really?? Are you familiar with the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia;

Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past - Environment - The Independent

Originally Posted by CYDdharta

Really?? Are you familiar with the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia;

Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past - Environment - The Independent

lol that link was great ....

"snow is starting to disappear from our lives."

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is"


"ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes - or eventually "feel" virtual cold."

...once more, lol.

Well since increased snows are a sign of global warming because of increased moisture in the atmosphere next time there is a summer dry spell clearly it will be because of global cooling.

Originally Posted by CYDdharta

Really?? Are you familiar with the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia;

Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past - Environment - The Independent

What i get from that article is that London went almost 20 years without any significant snowfall.

Here is a couple quotes from the scientists in that article from the year 2000:

According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said.

If we recall the media reaction and the ensuing chaos casued for the recent (and seemingly rare?) snow his comments seem very prescient indeed.

The forecasts from climate scientists has been for more extreme weather - and extreme winter storms are consistent with that.

Andrew

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

Well since increased snows are a sign of global warming because of increased moisture in the atmosphere next time there is a summer dry spell clearly it will be because of global cooling.

The forecasts are based on regions of the earth.

I.e., the southwest should experience more extreme drought conditions.

The forecasts are not the same for every region on earth - internal climate mechanisms are still in effect - they are just being changed by adding more energy to the system.

Andrew

Originally Posted by Andrewl

The forecasts from climate scientists has been for more extreme weather - and extreme winter storms are consistent with that.

Andrew

Haven't seen a Blizzard of 78 since 78.

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

Haven't seen a Blizzard of 78 since 78.

Right, well i'm sure your local and anecdotal experience of the world disproves basic science and global observations. :rolleyes:

Andrew

Originally Posted by Andrewl

The forecasts are based on regions of the earth.

I.e., the southwest should experience more extreme drought conditions.

Which explains the snow collapsing the roof of a Planet Hollywood outside of Tulsa Arizona, right?

Originally Posted by TomBlaze

From the article I posted. I also read the wiki on the Milankovitch Theory and it seems that there were a few holes. This new research poked through one of them.

Perhaps i'm confused as to what you are trying to say. The point i was making is that the period of the cycle we are in now is one of very gradual cooling over the next ~30K years. I.e., we are not contributing to a natural warming cycle from orbital forcing - anthropogenic greenhouse forcing is actually superceding this cyclical cooling.

Andrew

Originally Posted by Andrewl

Right, well i'm sure your local and anecdotal experience of the world disproves basic science and global observations. :rolleyes:

Andrew

I'm not dim enough to claim any such thing, you have by leaping to a conclusion just like AL Gore the climate prophet.

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

Which explains the snow collapsing the roof of a Planet Hollywood outside of Tulsa Arizona, right?

Expectations for the Southwest: Hot with Decades of Drought | UANews.org

The southwest goes through cyclical periods of severe drought. We are now in a situation where you can add more heat to the potential for severe drought and you have what climate scientists are warming about - more extreme weather conditions over and above what would be expected without global warming.

Andrew

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

I'm not dim enough to claim any such thing....

Quit acting so dim then.

you have by leaping to a conclusion just like AL Gore the climate prophet.

Another rather "dim" statement. Read the science.

Andrew

Originally Posted by Andrewl

Perhaps i'm confused as to what you are trying to say. The point i was making is that the period of the cycle we are in now is one of very gradual cooling over the next ~30K years. I.e., we are not contributing to a natural warming cycle from orbital forcing - anthropogenic greenhouse forcing is actually superceding this cyclical cooling.

Andrew

Ahh. OK. I get it. Nice to know that there are other smart people on the forums.