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Vice President
You're out of line. I realize your a convert to the church of warming but please have the class not to start insulting people who aren't in the flock.Originally Posted by Andrewl
Secretary of State
Do conservatives realize that they look like fools when attempting to discredit global warming by highlighting all the extreme whether we've been having? Global warming results in extreme weather!!!. Extreme hurricanes, extreme snow storms, extreme heat. Somebody should tell them.
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
So are you telling me that Senate Democrats don't understand 5th grade science?
YouTube - Urgent, Democrats Warn Snow Levels Mean We Must Act Now!!!
You people really need to get your stories straight.
Proud Virginian Administrator!
I'd say most people in the Senate probably don't understand a lot of 5th grade level things, Democrat or Republican. That video helps my point. When it comes to science, never ever listen to politicians.
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Vice President
You might want to learn when to use the word weather or whether when you are discussing people who you think are looking like fools because they see Al Gore as a money grabbing charlatan who will do anything he can to fatten his wallet and ego even at the cost of what damage his political shenanigans could be doing to real progress in the face of issues on hand.
President
You know, when you say things like "Haven't seen a Blizzard of 78 since 78." .. it's hard to tell whether you are being deliberately obstinate or you are really that uninformed about what the science indicates regarding global warming.
Which is it?
Andrew
...corporations and those who run them cannot stop exploiting resources and amassing wealth until they have... .I cannot finish this sentence, because the truth is that can never stop; like cancer, they can only continue to expand until they kill the host.
-- Derrick Jensen
Vice President
Neither Andrewl. Was the blizzards of 78 a result of Global Warming? If it wasn't it sets a standard for what extreme weather could look like before global warming added/adds moisture/energy to the weather systems of the planet. We need something to reference extreme events of the day and future against.
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." - Margaret Thatcher
Secretary of Defense
Amusement wasn't my intent, but while we're on this particular aspect of the debate, how would you classify the concept of evolution? Would you consider it to be a concept that someone without a proper education can truly grasp?
Secretary of Defense
Ice core samples give us a rather large period to reference.
President
Here is another video that further reinforces your point.
YouTube - greenman3610's Channel
Andrew
...corporations and those who run them cannot stop exploiting resources and amassing wealth until they have... .I cannot finish this sentence, because the truth is that can never stop; like cancer, they can only continue to expand until they kill the host.
-- Derrick Jensen
Vice President
They don't tel us much about the areas there is no millennium old ice to bore data out. We can only calculate very general data for areas away from the bore points which is certainly useful but doesn't serve to establish a reference to judge regional extremes.
President
No, you still don't understand. Its not about individual weather events at all.
The science indicates that on average you will have more storms and the storms that would have happened in any case will likely be more extreme (and more and more extreme as the energy in the system continues to increase).
It is important to keep in mind that internal mechanisms and variability are still very much active (seasons, la nina/el nino, oscillations, hurricane season, monsoon season, cyclical drought, fires, etc..)
The science is only saying that these events and weather in general will be more intense, more frequent, and overall the climate situation should be more unpredictable. The patterns could get all wonky. And this is just the short term effects.
Another way of saying this is that if the Blizzard of 78 was a once in a century event, with global warming it might be a 1 in a decade event and so on.
This is very simple stuff and the idea that adding more energy to the system (a fact that is beyond any doubt) should cause weather to be more extreme on average is not a contradiction to global warming in any way whatsoever. It is really just very basic physics.
Andrew
...corporations and those who run them cannot stop exploiting resources and amassing wealth until they have... .I cannot finish this sentence, because the truth is that can never stop; like cancer, they can only continue to expand until they kill the host.
-- Derrick Jensen
Secretary of Defense
When looking at average annual temperatures on a global level, regional extremes don't matter so much.
However, if regional extremes are of interest, we do have close to 200 years worth of info in some areas.
President
This is not accurate. CO2 in the atmosphere is well-mixed. The ice cores from the poles tell us about global climate. Indeed, they match up very well with independent lines of evidence from all over the globe regarding the comings and goings of the ice ages.
Andrew
...corporations and those who run them cannot stop exploiting resources and amassing wealth until they have... .I cannot finish this sentence, because the truth is that can never stop; like cancer, they can only continue to expand until they kill the host.
-- Derrick Jensen
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