Thread: Anti-Union Bill Set to Pass In Wisconsin; Massive Protests Move Into Day 3

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Ah, yes the classic "I don't understand the source, so I'm going to badmouth it" approach.

I understand the source just fine:

DEMOCRATS = GOOD
REPUBLICANS = BAD

I just think summing people up this way is silly. There are plenty of good Democrats, bad Republicans, and vice versa out there. Both have pushed for plenty of good bills and plenty of bad bills. In the State of New York they seem to be getting arrested or having to step down from office amid scandal in pretty similar numbers. I suspect the percentages hold true to pretty much every other state as well.

Originally Posted by CSA

wasn't is the hero of the left, president Barrack Obama who said "Elections have consequences", well here are you consequences.

That's true. I've long said that myself before he did, e.g., to Dems who complained about the Roberts and Alito appointments to the SCOTUS on this site back at the time. It's not an Obama coined phrase nor mine or anyone else's anytime recent...it's an old one merely stating a plain truth of politics.

Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

Yep. He's not paring down benefits to balance the budget in bad economic times, which would be completely reasonable. He's infringing on the right of the people to organize and negotiate (a form of free speech). I suspect the bill would be/will be declared unconstitutional eventually even if it does pass.

I strongly doubt that, as it isn't stripping them of any rights guaranteed by the Constitution. These people can still organize, and still negotiate.

Originally Posted by CSA

wasn't is the hero of the left, president Barrack Obama who said "Elections have consequences", well here are you consequences.

Yes, Obama is the hero of the left, and Hitler is the hero of the right.

Originally Posted by Donahue

I understand the source just fine:

DEMOCRATS = GOOD
REPUBLICANS = BAD

I just think summing people up this way is silly. There are plenty of good Democrats, bad Republicans, and vice versa out there. Both have pushed for plenty of good bills and plenty of bad bills. In the State of New York they seem to be getting arrested or having to step down from office amid scandal in pretty similar numbers. I suspect the percentages hold true to pretty much every other state as well.

No, you're too afraid to even read the source, how can you possibly understand it?

Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

I think he missed it. He, like so many others, have bitten into debating the red herring and have missed the concealed real target completely.

Fascinating...Rachel Maddow spends 14 min displaying her absolute best Glenn Beck imitation...except for one thing.....Beck advocates for people standing up for and taking responsibility for themselves to build a better America from the bottom up while Maddow preaches the need for Party rule.

At stake not just in Wisconsin but in America as a whole is the ability of the American citizen to exercise their own will on their own terms for their own benefit. It's a matter of Freedom and it's a matter of Liberty.

Yes, there is a desperate struggle between the two largest political parties in this country for control of the political architecture we have constructed. There should always be such a struggle. It is, in fact, that struggle which allows the American people to express their interests and voice their concerns. If that struggle is EVER resolved into a "victory" by either of these parties or by any party yet to come it will be the end of our Republic.

Originally Posted by ThorHammer

I strongly doubt that, as it isn't stripping them of any rights guaranteed by the Constitution. These people can still organize, and still negotiate.

And can of course quit if they dont like the employment terms offered.

Originally Posted by Donahue

I understand this is mostly about party loyalty for you, ConLib, Dick Martin, etc.

:rolleyes:

It is exactly about party loyalty for Gov Walker, he is purposing this regulation on only those unions that did not donate to him. The 3 unions that did donate to his election, are intentionally left out of this.

Answer that? If you can.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jviehe

How is he infringing on that? They can still negotiate. The state is simply choosing to no longer recognize a collective representative. There is no law against that. They do not have a right to collectively bargain, only to try. He is not stopping individuals from speaking, or from assemling.

Bullshit, he is infringing on all public employee unions, except the 3 that supported him, by requiring large amounts of red tape every year, and not allowing them to actually negotiate, while allowing those 3 unions that did support him to do so.

But then again, no one ever accused cons of actually reading about the issues, nor using facts to argue.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Yes, Obama is the hero of the left, and Hitler is the hero of the right.

I see you missed Obama asking for civility.

You got the "Obama is the hero of the left" right. But the Hitler thing I don't get, maybe you could lay out the details that bring you to that conclusion.

Originally Posted by Forplay

I see you missed Obama asking for civility.

You got the "Obama is the hero of the left" right. But the Hitler thing I don't get, maybe you could lay out the details that bring you to that conclusion.

It's all bullshit. Obama is NOT the hero of the left. No matter how often you right wingers keep saying it. No matter how many different ways you come up with to say it. It just isn't true.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Originally Posted by jviehe

And can of course quit if they dont like the employment terms offered.

Spoken like someone who's never had to work for a living.

This is all about money that the people (tax payer) who sign the checks do not want to pay. Big Daddy Government is 14+ trillion in debt and climbing by 1.5 trillion a yr. Many states across this country are broke and carry large debt.

Now the people across this country are fed up with governments running up the debt that people just say raise taxes, problem solved. However the people that sign the checks have a different view. No more taxes and cut spending. But that is something liberals don't get. It's pretty clear with the Tea Party movement and the mid-term elections people are fed up with out of control spending.

Now if the Dem's don't get on board with spending cuts, come 2012 there won't be any Dem's left in congress or the white house. And watching the Dem's pander to the unions, is not going to go over well with the American people. We are now seeing Greece right here at home with the unions not wanting to be part of the belt tightening while the rest of American suffers and has to pay union members.