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Secretary of State
I think that it would be unrealistic to believe that Democrats don't play exactly the same sort of politics. They are, after all, swimming in the same waters, as it were.Originally Posted by Blue Doggy
This is what the Repubs excell in. Dirty pool and politics. And the reason I would die before I would ever vote for one.
Yet, if he told the folks in Ws. what he was gonna do when he ran for that office, this was to be expected and should have surprised no one, even the Dems in that State. With that said, it is still dirty deeds done dirt cheap. I reckon it did not cost some contributor that much to get his way with this deal. The gov'nor would have done it for free, to try and gut the power of the unions which is not generally favorable to the Repubs. Self serving, while serving the Party. I am sure he has gotten a lot of "attaboys" from most Repubs in power.
That is fine. Once the pain wrought by the Pubs is felt deeper, and they can't lay it at Obama's feet, the Dems should come back roarin' with vim and vigor. Fox will be on overtime in the next decade, combatting the negetive brought to us, compliments of the Repub Party.
If a man were behind four months on his mortgage and was talking to you about his plans to build an addition on his home you would think him daft and delusional. But in Washington, ignoring a current crisis to discuss grand dreams is called “boldness” and “vision.”
Secretary of State
It’s not a regular venue for unionized collective bargaining, it’s a state budget cut. The view given by the media, teachers, and there supporters is dishonest.
Be that as it may, on proper venue I would support the teachers if this was real.
ONLY A LIBERAL WOULD KNOW HOW TO PUT A NICOTINE PATCH ON A MONKEY
Secretary of State
It’s not a regular venue for unionized collective bargaining, it’s a state budget cut. The view given by the media, teachers, and there supporters is dishonest.
Be that as it may, on proper venue I would support the teachers if this was real.
Anarchy, deceit and fraud kills any credibility the teachers hope to have, I mean for goodness sakes, one couldn't tell by watching the news if they were watching the teachers in Wisconsin or riots in Egypt.
ONLY A LIBERAL WOULD KNOW HOW TO PUT A NICOTINE PATCH ON A MONKEY
Secretary of Defense
The funny part is the taxpayers just have to be told some simple facts. the Governor wants them to pay 5-6% of their pension costs from the 2-3 percent they pay now.. meaning the TAXPAYERS will still be picking up 94%.
he also wants them to pay for about 125 of their health benefits instead of the 6-7 they pay meaning taxpayers will still be paying the remaining 88%.
Nice benefits huh? how many taxpayers get those benefits?
that should be what the governer says everytime he addresses the people.
“Are vital U.S. interests more imperiled by what happens in Iraq where were have 50,000 troops, or Afghanistan where we have 100,000, or South Korea where we have 28,000 -- or by what is happening on our border with Mexico?...What does it profit America if we save Anbar and lose Arizona?”
P, Buchanan
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President
And, what you fail to mention because you can't ever be honest is that the teachers have already agreed to the requested salary cuts, healthcare contributions, and pension contributions.
President
You're obviously not paying attention, since the union said on Friday they would give into all the financial aspects of what the Governor wanted, but that collective bargaining rights must remain in place.
The Governor said at a press conference later on Friday that he would scrap the entire proposal BUT for the collective bargaining rights, which means this is definitely NOT A BUDGET CUT ISSUE.
Secretary of Defense
You may be right, if he would tell the truth, this would soon be over. The truth being that the Koch brothers financed his election and now are having him toeing the mark of union busting. Of course, he's only doing it for those unions that didn't support him during the election.
Yes, the truth from him would be nice. However, he's a member of the new GOP, and truth is like poison to him.
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Secretary of State
OK, so how do you place the needed distance between elected officials who do the negotiating on the tax payer's behalf and the unions?
We know that the Governor's solution is to limit collective bargaining to compensation only. You object to that. OK. What's your solution to breaking up the unholy and corrupt alliance between politicians and unions? Or is your position that this is no problem?
Just consider that the situation we find ourselves in now does have it's roots in this relationship, and it's cost the tax payers plenty.
It'd be one thing if this was a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, but it is very clear that a problem exists.
If a man were behind four months on his mortgage and was talking to you about his plans to build an addition on his home you would think him daft and delusional. But in Washington, ignoring a current crisis to discuss grand dreams is called “boldness” and “vision.”
Secretary of Defense
Yet they want to REATIN the ability to collective bargain to ask for increases ABOVE the rate of inflation....
When most taxpayers are not receiving any raises at all....
That is the only collectivbe bargaining right being taken from them.. thats it..
“Are vital U.S. interests more imperiled by what happens in Iraq where were have 50,000 troops, or Afghanistan where we have 100,000, or South Korea where we have 28,000 -- or by what is happening on our border with Mexico?...What does it profit America if we save Anbar and lose Arizona?”
P, Buchanan
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Secretary of Defense
question for you how much did Unions contribute to democrats this past election cycle..
STFU about contributions ok?
“Are vital U.S. interests more imperiled by what happens in Iraq where were have 50,000 troops, or Afghanistan where we have 100,000, or South Korea where we have 28,000 -- or by what is happening on our border with Mexico?...What does it profit America if we save Anbar and lose Arizona?”
P, Buchanan
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Secretary of Defense
as a member of the new GOP I am being called a liar here and I would hope this poster would recieve an infraction.
“Are vital U.S. interests more imperiled by what happens in Iraq where were have 50,000 troops, or Afghanistan where we have 100,000, or South Korea where we have 28,000 -- or by what is happening on our border with Mexico?...What does it profit America if we save Anbar and lose Arizona?”
P, Buchanan
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Legend of USPO
See, the admins don't consider that baiting or a personal attack, but just call someone a stupid motherfucker one time and see what happens.
Take a good hard look, it's coming.
Secretary of Defense
tell me about it I call someone a liar and BAM infraction... :pSee, the admins don't consider that baiting or a personal attack, but just call someone a stupid motherfucker one time and see what happens.
“Are vital U.S. interests more imperiled by what happens in Iraq where were have 50,000 troops, or Afghanistan where we have 100,000, or South Korea where we have 28,000 -- or by what is happening on our border with Mexico?...What does it profit America if we save Anbar and lose Arizona?”
P, Buchanan
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President
Yes, they can ask. ASK. Does that mean that they are required to receive? Nope. Will receive? Nope? Just allowed to ask.
Why would you limit the ability of your fellow Americans to ask?
President
You should see what happens for off-topic baiting...
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