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Thread: Obama administration ends its defense of DOMA

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    Re: Obama administration ends its defense of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You're absolutely wrong.

    You may as well devalidate the 10th Amendment.

    Yes it is easy to have a living will/power of attorney. You just need to know what you're doing - most "liberals" don't because they're not intelligent.
    /facepalm

    So, you would have it such that every time a married couple goes to one of the 50 (so far) US states (and the various territories) they would have to re-assert their marriage standing in the state's legal system?

    A living will is irrelevant.

    Tell me, what kind of POA would you use to automatically allow your same-sex-partner of 20 years to drive your rental car? What kind of POA would you sign to allow for filing taxes jointly?

    Hmm?


    You are claiming to be the "intelligent" one, right?

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    Re: Obama administration ends its defense of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by pramjockey View Post
    /facepalm

    So, you would have it such that every time a married couple goes to one of the 50 (so far) US states (and the various territories) they would have to re-assert their marriage standing in the state's legal system?

    A living will is irrelevant.

    Tell me, what kind of POA would you use to automatically allow your same-sex-partner of 20 years to drive your rental car? What kind of POA would you sign to allow for filing taxes jointly?

    Hmm?


    You are claiming to be the "intelligent" one, right?
    I dont believe in federally recognized marriages to begin with - thats a state issue, or a 10th Amendment issue.

    Of course you just decided my original point of legal contract is moot - you're a leftist and you just want to argue.

    You will start going into the "what ifs" next...

    Geez..
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    Re: Obama administration ends its defense of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I dont believe in federally recognized marriages to begin with - thats a state issue, or a 10th Amendment issue.

    Of course you just decided my original point of legal contract is moot - you're a leftist and you just want to argue.

    You will start going into the "what ifs" next...

    Geez..
    Gee, I'm sorry, did I interrupt your little diatribe with reality?

    I know that it's all nice and convenient to believe that the world will just work a certain way, and everything will be nice and clean and good and fine. But, reality isn't so cooperative. The "what ifs" are the contingencies that people are living with every day and fighting to overcome. You may see them as minor inconveniences, but to them, they're significant obstacles to everyday living.


    And, really, throwing around the "you're an X so you Y" is beyond childish. Can't you grow up just a tad?

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    Re: Obama administration ends its defense of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    most "liberals" don't because they're not intelligent.
    I feel like my intelligence has just been criticized by a talking gorilla.

    I don't know whether to laugh or just shake my head in disgust.
    If Adam Smith were alive today, he'd be a socialist.

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    Re: Obama administration ends its defense of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragontalk View Post
    I feel like my intelligence has just been criticized by a talking gorilla.

    I don't know whether to laugh or just shake my head in disgust.
    Laugh, and then toss him one of those rubber feed bins that they like to throw around in the zoo.

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    Re: Obama administration ends its defense of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by pramjockey View Post
    Gee, I'm sorry, did I interrupt your little diatribe with reality?

    I know that it's all nice and convenient to believe that the world will just work a certain way, and everything will be nice and clean and good and fine. But, reality isn't so cooperative. The "what ifs" are the contingencies that people are living with every day and fighting to overcome. You may see them as minor inconveniences, but to them, they're significant obstacles to everyday living.


    And, really, throwing around the "you're an X so you Y" is beyond childish. Can't you grow up just a tad?
    Or you will digress from the subject..

    Grow up.
    I'm a political bisexual, I agree with both sides, I just object to the idea that government has to enforce both sides morals as social ethics and or law. - Mr. Nick

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    Re: Obama administration ends its defense of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Or you will digress from the subject..

    Grow up.


    OK, kid. Whatever you say.

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    Re: Obama administration ends its defense of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Grow up.
    And another supremely ironic statement.
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    Re: Obama administration ends its defense of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by pramjockey View Post


    OK, kid. Whatever you say.
    Then get older - whatever the fuck floats your boat.

    Just quit talking shit.
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    Re: Obama administration ends its defense of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragontalk View Post
    And another supremely ironic statement.
    Of course - anyone who thinks differently er outside of the realm.
    I'm a political bisexual, I agree with both sides, I just object to the idea that government has to enforce both sides morals as social ethics and or law. - Mr. Nick

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    Re: Obama administration ends its defense of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Of course - anyone who thinks differently er outside of the realm.
    LOL

    This is coming from a guy who predicates a discussion of actual civil rights laws on "what he believes" as though his beliefs actually mean something in the real world.

    Thta isn't thinking differently or outside the realm?
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    Re: Obama administration ends its defense of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    LOL

    This is coming from a guy who predicates a discussion of actual civil rights laws on "what he believes" as though his beliefs actually mean something in the real world.

    Thta isn't thinking differently or outside the realm?
    Marriage is a privilege not a right.
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    Re: Obama administration ends its defense of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Of course - anyone who thinks differently er outside of the realm.
    No, it's just wonderfully ironic to have you, of ALL people, accusing anyone else of lacking intelligence or telling anyone to "grow up."

    I can respect people who disagree with me, if they do so with any sign of intelligence, knowledge, or the ability to reason. You do not.
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    Re: Obama administration ends its defense of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by thanatos144 View Post
    Marriage is a privilege not a right.
    In a sense, but in one sense only. You may not marry anyone who is unwilling to marry you. As it is dependent on the personal choice of someone else, it may be considered a privilege.

    It is not, however, a privilege in which the state should have any role in determining who is entitled to it.
    If Adam Smith were alive today, he'd be a socialist.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Mohandas K. Gandhi

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    Re: Obama administration ends its defense of DOMA

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragontalk View Post
    In a sense, but in one sense only. You may not marry anyone who is unwilling to marry you. As it is dependent on the personal choice of someone else, it may be considered a privilege.

    It is not, however, a privilege in which the state should have any role in determining who is entitled to it.
    Get over yourself cause gay people are not that important. The make up what? 2% of the population? If they get it fine if they don't fine. Cause when all is said and done this issues means nothing other than some use it to try and degrade family values.......Wonder how gay activists feel about being used this way by socialists and communists?
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