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    Re: Afghanistan safer than American border

    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo View Post
    Obviously not, nor is the OP or myself suggesting we can handle what happens outside of the country. At least I did not suggest that, at all, and challenge you to dream up where I did. But we can use the list, with the city in question, to illustrate we have a danger problem on the border (more so than the dangers in Afghanistan in this case and in argument use) thus we need to do something more so than we do now to protect ourselves. If the 2nd most dangerous place in the world is a stone's throw away from the US it makes a pretty strong argument that we need to protect the border at all costs to prevent that type of danger from coming into the US. Which clearly is now anyway.

    The OP is right in the assessment of using Juarez to suggest more border security is needed, and not because of your suggestion on us being able to do a damn thing about what happens inside of Juarez. Man, use your head here. This is reasonable assessment of the situation on the border and evidence we need to do more to protect ourselves.
    By this logic the Canadians should have mobilized in Windsor by now.

    It's a nice bit of fear mongering (I know, I know, that's seemingly all the conservative movement has these days), but the drug wars in Mexico are a Mexican problem. Yes, we contribute to the problem, hugely, but that's another thread.

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    Re: Afghanistan safer than American border

    Quote Originally Posted by pramjockey View Post
    By this logic the Canadians should have mobilized in Windsor by now.

    It's a nice bit of fear mongering (I know, I know, that's seemingly all the conservative movement has these days), but the drug wars in Mexico are a Mexican problem. Yes, we contribute to the problem, hugely, but that's another thread.
    Well, I disagree with this part. MS-13 is growing in influence here, as are several other Latin American gangs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    Well, I disagree with this part. MS-13 is growing in influence here, as are several other Latin American gangs.
    MS13 is an LA-gang originally.

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    Re: Afghanistan safer than American border

    Quote Originally Posted by pramjockey View Post
    MS13 is an LA-gang originally.
    Indeed it is, but it now is a major gang throughout Latin America and in Mexico in particular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    Indeed it is, but it now is a major gang throughout Latin America and in Mexico in particular.
    Well, that's where the American money goes to traffic its insane drug problem.

    All I'm saying is that "OMG teh Mexicans r teh scary" is probably not the best strategy when looking at our relationship with our Southern neighbor.

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    Re: Afghanistan safer than American border

    Quote Originally Posted by pramjockey View Post
    Well, that's where the American money goes to traffic its insane drug problem.

    All I'm saying is that "OMG teh Mexicans r teh scary" is probably not the best strategy when looking at our relationship with our Southern neighbor.
    No argument here. One of the best moves we could make is to legalize and regulate marijuana. We could do the same with harder drugs over time, but decriminalization would be a good start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    No argument here. One of the best moves we could make is to legalize and regulate marijuana. We could do the same with harder drugs over time, but decriminalization would be a good start.
    And that's a different thread, but my stance is mixed at best on that one.

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    Re: Afghanistan safer than American border

    Quote Originally Posted by pramjockey View Post
    By this logic the Canadians should have mobilized in Windsor by now.

    It's a nice bit of fear mongering (I know, I know, that's seemingly all the conservative movement has these days), but the drug wars in Mexico are a Mexican problem. Yes, we contribute to the problem, hugely, but that's another thread.
    I think many on the Left do drugs to take their mind off of the scary Conservatives. Always looking over our shoulder, worried that we may be the next on their hit list next. Now, the Cons drink booze in excess to celebrate sticking it to working folks again, and again, and again...which is why they are such alcoholics. They been drinking too much in the last few decades due to the incessant celebrations of putting us in our rightful place, under the table. I hear their new motto is, " Fuck a working man for America". It's the patriotic thing to do.

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