Thread: Obama Endorses Palestinian State With 1967 Borders

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

hail Smurf,

me friend, i know we all be cynics ondeck, and probably justly so, but...

well, all 'o us would probably agree that this speech probably does nothin' but imperil Mr. Obama's chances with the american jewish voter, aye?

be it not possible that after a long contemplation in his quarters, the skipper just thinks this be the just and pragmatic outcome to the Isreal / Palestine issue, and he be not focusin' on the election ramifications 'o his decision?

...and, if this be the case, wouldn't it be a breath 'o fresh air?

- MeadHallPirate

Thank you, Pirate!

The US position on the Israel/Palestine issues seems pretty straightforward and unchanged over the past 40 years.

What is different is that President Obama, with his background as a community organizer, is using community organizing skills to get movement on the issue from the dissenting parties. His methods are straight out of the community organizer's manual.

Will he be successful? Maybe. And that is what has Republicans terrified.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

The US position on the Israel/Palestine issues seems pretty straightforward and unchanged over the past 40 years.

What is different is that President Obama, with his background as a community organizer, is using community organizing skills to get movement on the issue from the dissenting parties. His methods are straight out of the community organizer's manual.

Will he be successful? Maybe. And that is what has Republicans terrified.

You're honestly not dumb enough to think it's going to work do you?

You have no comprehension at all how much the arabs and the jews hate each other. They'll stop fighting when one buries a knife in the chest of the last of the other.

It will be a knife because they're going to want to see the look in their eyes.

Obama is simply pandering to the arabs who sent him so much campaign funding last time, and have obviously promised to do so again.

Doesn't a lot of this have to do with access to fresh ground water?

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

The US position on the Israel/Palestine issues seems pretty straightforward and unchanged over the past 40 years.

What is different is that President Obama, with his background as a community organizer, is using community organizing skills to get movement on the issue from the dissenting parties. His methods are straight out of the community organizer's manual.

Will he be successful? Maybe. And that is what has Republicans terrified.

Republicans are "scared" of Obama being a "community organizer"--LOL. It appears that he has just turned into a community agitator.

It's more than obvious that there is no LOVE lost between Obama and Netanyahu--and Netanyahu's description of the reasons they cannot draw back to 67 lines was made very clear--and right in front of Obama.

There's no doubt that several decades have passed--and through-out all administrations have tried to obtain a lasting piece between Isreal and Palistine. It's not going to go away--and obviously Obama didn't win this battle with Netanyahu.

Netanyahu flat dunked Obama on National news over Obama's proposal. Nor will Netanyahu--sit down with Hamas (a terrorist organization) to negotiate. He also made that very clear.

Here is the video of this discussion:

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

So does your ideology allow for the existence of a Palestinian State?

I don't have an ideology, not as that term is usually thrown around. When Israel was first established, land was also set aside for a so-called Palestinian state. The Arabs rejected it. Like so many you appear to be of the belief that there was a Palestinian people who lived in Palestine. There wasn't. The Palestinians are a recent designation, wholly modern without a history beyond the last 60 or so years. That region of the Middle East has been called Palestine, but there were no Palestinian people who claimed it as there homeland.

If so, pray tell, where would the land for such a state come from?

Look up a map of Israel. Look up a map of Israel with the 1967 borders. If you want to destroy Israel force it to return to the 1967 borders, just from the shift in demographics Israel would die.

Do you think Israel has always been the good guy wearing the white hat? That they are unblemished?

Considering that Israel has been a state under siege almost from its beginning, what blemishes Israel has are completely understandable.

Israel has a right to security. Palestinians have a right to their own land and nation.

Duh!

This will not be solved without a two state solution.

Again, the two state solution is not the problem or the issue under discussion. Israel has acknowledge the need of a Palestinian state and America has attempted to help in the peace effort. Arafat rejected the peace deal that Clinton handed to him on a sliver plate, with Israel's agree to the deal. Arafat was unwilling to accept it because peace was not what he wanted. Nor does Hamas or Hezbollah, or the Arab states or Iran.

If one does not want that, then you basically want the status quo. And that isn't something good at all.

:rolleyes: You really need to read a little bit about the history of Israel. If the Palestinians disarmed and seriously worked for peace, there would be peace tomorrow. If the Israelis disarmed and asked for peace, there would be a genocide tomorrow. The Israelis have always been serious about their desires for peace.

tashi deleks,

M

Originally Posted by Oreo

Netanyahu flat dunked Obama on National news over Obama's proposal. Nor will Netanyahu--sit down with Hamas (a terrorist organization) to negotiate. He also made that very clear.

Here is the video of this discussion:

Can we amend the Constitution fast enough so Netanyahu can run against Obama as the Republican nominee in 2012? If the leftists on the forum are confused, Netanyahu is showing Obama what real leadership and statemanship is all about. Look at Obama's body language. Do you think, with his arrogance, he learned anything?

tashi deleks,

M

Another question is, what will the reaction in Israel be in the medium term? Can Netanyahu hold his government in the face of US dissent? Our State Dept warned his againsed building in restricted areas but he did so anyway, he snubbed Biden and tried to circumvent Obama. What can this asshole do for the US? Where is our prize? What do we find at the bottom of the box? The whole Mideast is changing and we have a small chance to make history, Netanyahu better get on the boat or learn to tread water. Sorry, for 3 billion per annum, I think we should get a little respect, we don't need Israel, they need us.

Since when do republicans agree with foreign leaders telling the US what our foreign policy should be? This is virtually the same talking points Bush used.

Originally Posted by 9aces

You're honestly not dumb enough to think it's going to work do you?

You have no comprehension at all how much the arabs and the jews hate each other. They'll stop fighting when one buries a knife in the chest of the last of the other.

It will be a knife because they're going to want to see the look in their eyes.

Obama is simply pandering to the arabs who sent him so much campaign funding last time, and have obviously promised to do so again.

I understand the paint brush you are using.

My childhood was in a very mixed background city. The grandparents of many of my friends did not speak English well at all. In our school there were Jews and Arabs going to school side by side and being friends. Good friends. To make the point that we had a mixed up ethnicity, I will add that, for example, the Italians in the community were for the most part Protestant.

It is not cast in stone that Arab and Jew will hate each other.

btw, the objection to a Palestinian state comes from Arabs, not from Jews.

Originally Posted by Angry American

Doesn't a lot of this have to do with access to fresh ground water?

The Jordan river is certainly an important water ressource for Israel but the key to that will be negotiations and not just grab it. When I was visiting the West Bank in 2006 and 2008 the settlers were sprinkling their lawns and building huge swimming pools ( in a desert environment ) while the Palestinians had running water a couple of hours a day. That will be one of the things that need to change.

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

Becasue we're talking about Palestine and Israel in this thread, try to keep up.

You made the assertion that Israel was slowly annihilation the Palestinians and yet the population of the Palestinians has increased 8 fold since 1948. By simple math alone while they are perhaps downtrodden and maltreated people they aren't being annihilated.

And I was answering this remark: "Prior to the Roman invasion, there was never a person known as a palestinian ", when you chiped in.

As for the name "Palestine", I already provided you with a host of other names that territory was known before Jews arrived there.

Once again: before the war there were around 16 million Jews world wide; after the war -- 11 million. Why are we talking of "holocaust" if other nations lost much more during the war?

Hilarious to watch you discussing Obama's "balls" in all seriousness!

Wake up! You are mistaking yet another "blah-blah" for a decisiveness.

Yes, the US position is UNCHANGED for over 40 years now. And it will stay the same for as long as the "Jewish vote" will control your finances.

Zionist financial elite holds your political elite by the balls -- the same balls you attribute to Obama's gums flapping exercise.

Obama put himself in a great public sh*t by bombing Gaddafy's grand children. He tried to deflate the attention with OBL hit-circus, but after a day of "jubilations" international blogs started asking questions, and taking a p*ss of an ill disguised Hollywood flop.

But he had to "redeem" his political standing of "defender of justice and the opressed", thus his "blah-blah-blah" on Israeli-Palestinian issue that is rapidly going the same road of yet another American stand-up comedy for the benefit of the gullible.

Calm down. Nothing is going to change for the time being.