Thread: NBC and the "Pledge of Allegiance"

Yet it's funny how you didn't criticize the guy I was responding to so you must be a conservative.

People will see only what they want to see.

And are always more forgiving of people they like and or agree with.

Originally Posted by Golden Cabal

Yet it's funny how you didn't criticize the guy I was responding to so you must be a conservative.

People will see only what they want to see.

And are always more forgiving of people they like and or agree with.

I have to reason to criticize Steve for his post. I happen to agree with most of what he said even though we disagree on many other things. He's 100% right that how gay people live has no effect on him or anyone else and the hatred of gays is definitely bigotry. And yes, I am a conservative but I have an open mind about things that don't affect me or hurt anyone else.

Yeah, whatever.

Originally Posted by Golden Cabal

Except conservatives.

Considering they all hate women and would rather force them to give birth and hate teachers and brown people immigrating to America.

Originally Posted by Jefe

These gross generalizations never help the discussion.

Agreed, Jefe.

I am far more conservative than liberal.

I don't hate women. I don't want to force women to do anything. I don't hate teachers, and I certainly have no problem with "brown people" immigrating here, provided it's done legally.

Personally, I have no problem with "under God" being in our Pledge. That's how I learned it. I have no problem with "In God We Trust" being on our money. It could say "Mickey Mouse Is A Fudge-Packer" for all I care; it all spends.

That said, however, I'm also able to understand that the inclusion of "under God" in our Pledge, or the mention of God on our money, is offensive to people who do not have a belief in God. I do not believe that their efforts to remove those mentions are always "vindictive", and I believe that they have the right to make their arguments without being mocked or the the subject of derision, or without being accused of being vindictive, by the hordes of intolerant Christians who, sadly, make up a large segment of Christians overall and, as a result, give all Christians a bad name.

Unfortunately, those Christians who aren't intolerant usually don't possess the balls required to take a principled stand so, even if they don't agree with the intolerant Christians, they loathe to criticize them. As such, they're lumped in with the intolerant ones, and I think that's reasonable and to be expected.

If "good" Christians have a hard time being lumped in with the "bad" Christians, they might want to consider speaking out when they know the "bad" ones are hurling bullshit...

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

I have to reason to criticize Steve for his post.

And I apprceiate that.

It's far more enjoyable than when you don't reason when responding to my posts...

Originally Posted by Golden Cabal

Yeah, whatever.

There's no "yeah, whatever" about it. Steve was right and your post stating that conservatives hate women was wrong. Steve also didn't use a broad brush to paint all "conservatives" or all "Christians" as bigots in the way that you accuse all conservatives of hating women, teachers and brown people. You were wrong so cowboy up, buddy, and admit it.

Originally Posted by Steve

And I apprceiate that.

It's far more enjoyable than when you don't reason when responding to my posts...

LOL I reason...you just don't understand it!

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

LOL I reason...you just don't understand it!

Perhaps I'm so used to the unreasoned posts that I'm lulled into a state of complacency...

Originally Posted by Jefe

The 10 Commandments are not the basis for our laws.

Not the basis, but the predecessors.

They're probably the first system of codified law to arise out of the western political tradition.

I see their use as adornments within our judicial infrastructure more as a way of saying, "Hey, our respect for law in the "west" goes all the way back to antiquity", than anything overtly religious.

Simply put, the 10 Commandments don't apply to everyone, and they have no place being displayed in and on public buildings.

I don't disagree with that.

But I'm not necessarially opposed to their being used either.

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

There's no "yeah, whatever" about it. Steve was right and your post stating that conservatives hate women was wrong. Steve also didn't use a broad brush to paint all "conservatives" or all "Christians" as bigots in the way that you accuse all conservatives of hating women, teachers and brown people. You were wrong so cowboy up, buddy, and admit it.

No, you're just oh so right.

If you're tolerant you don't go around insulting people to no end. If you're a tolerant person, you don't pick and choose and you keep yourself to your own standards or it's hypocrisy which discredits the person making the claim. So you pony up and admit it.

But of course, you like Steve and will do anything you can to support him and dismiss his hypocrisy.

So, whatever.

But I know you'll never admit to being wrong because all you want to do is score points by being right, not by being moral.

Which is typical American bullshit.

Originally Posted by Golden Cabal

No, you're just oh so right.

If you're tolerant you don't go around insulting people by insulting them to no end. If you're a tolerant person, you don't pick and choose and you keep yourself to your own standards or it's hypocrisy which discredits the person making the claim. So you pony up and admit it.

But of course, you like Steve and will do anything you can to support him and dismiss his hypocrisy.

So, whatever.

But I know you'll never admit to being wrong ebcause all you want to do is score points by being right, not by being moral.

Which is typical American bullshit.

I'm tolerant of things that hurt no one but help others. I'm intolerant of things that impact me and others negatively. I believe Steve feels basically the same way though I disagree with him on other issues more often than not. Anyone who is either tolerant of everything or intolerant of everything is a fool.

I'm tolerant of things that hurt no one but help others. I'm intolerant of things that impact me and others negatively. I believe Steve feels basically the same way though I disagree with him on other issues more often than not. Anyone who is either tolerant of everything or intolerant of everything is a fool.

Yes, there are some beliefs that should not be tolerated.

But when someone is simply expressing an opinion and not really acting on that belief, you don't have a right to insult that person to no end.

That is not tolerance. That is intolerance because you are trying to get that person to shut up.

And that is a negative impact because it implies that only those with the right and popular beliefs can express them.


And if that person has a belief along the lines of "it's okay to insult jerks because they're being a jerk" then it's okay for other people to insult you if they believe you're being a jerk.

And that argument also has a negative impact on things because all it does is create a huge problem of intolerance than spins out of control and never solves anything but just encourages people to shout insults at one another and not truly learn to live with one another.


Which is an anathema if you believe in tolerance and free speech.

Originally Posted by Golden Cabal

Yes, there are some beliefs that should not be tolerated.

But when someone is simply expressing an opinion and not really acting on that belief, you don't have a right to insult that person to no end.

That is not tolerance. That is intolerance because you are trying to get that person to shut up.

And that is a negative impact because it implies that only those with the right and popular beliefs can express them.


And if that person has a belief along the lines of "it's okay to insult jerks because they're being a jerk" then it's okay for other people to insult you if they believe you're being a jerk.

And that argument also has a negative impact on things because all it does is create a huge problem of intolerance than spins out of control and never solves anything but just encourages people to shout insults at one another and not truly learn to live with one another.


Which is an anathema if you believe in tolerance and free speech.

Your opinion that all conservatives hate women, teachers and brown people was dead wrong and the eye roll was at the absurdity of such a statement. If that offends you, oh well, maybe your silly statement offended me...did you think about that?