Thread: NBC and the "Pledge of Allegiance"

Originally Posted by Steve

What waste of funds?

Money is redesigned every so often. As such, new engravings must be made. It would be easy to simply not include those words on our currency. No waste, whatsoever, and it could also be argued that it's actually a return to tradition...

That's a good point. Another point is that it saves money to not have it on there as well. Less time spent designing the bills to include it = less time spent designing the printing plates = less ink usage = less money spent.

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

Phase it out if you want but considering that "In God We Trust" was first added to coins in 1864, it would be hard to argue that we would be returning to tradition by removing it.

Then, it should be removed from our coinage as well.

Originally Posted by sailorman126

why is that the very small minority feels that they should dictate what the vast majority wants? the vast majority of this country belive in god and like under god on the money and plegde so why cant it stay? is it becasue a very small minority is offened by it? then how about we get rid of everything that a small minorty is offended by. i find rap music offensive so we should get rid of it. i know people that say country music is offensive so we have to get rid of that. i know people that think that huck fin is offensive so lets ban that. after all if something offends even one person than that perons has the rigth to get it removed form the public that is what the atheists are saying. they are a very small group and a even smaller group dont like it when god is mentin n any way and they say they have to right to get rid of it because if offends them even if getting rid of it offends the vast majority of the country

Do you think so little of your god that his only validation can be his presence on our money?

That's hardly a god worth believing in...

Why is that the very small minority feels that they should dictate what the vast majority wants?

Why should our voices be silenced?

When you have a vast majority dictating things, you get a true Democracy without any representation.

America is meant to be a republic, and the phrase "Under God" does not represent the entire populace. It only represents one single group of people.

Which of course, would cry holy hell if the phrase was "Allahu Ackbar" or "ALL HAIL SATAN!".

Which is the entire point. Why should only one group be represented above all others in a representative republic?

In order to represent all people, the money shouldn't have that kind of saying on it. The money should be neutral.

Originally Posted by soot

LOL

Can you explain how pledging allegience to a republican form of government borders on tyranny?

Because it sounds like a really stupid thing to say.

Republicanism is probably the closest thing I can think of to the antithesis of tyranny in governance.

oh how very true of Roman Republicanism.

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

Phase it out if you want but considering that "In God We Trust" was first added to coins in 1864, it would be hard to argue that we would be returning to tradition by removing it.

Lincoln was a very devout man. he had plans for alcohol prohibition after the war.

Originally Posted by Golden Cabal

Why should our voices be silenced?

When you have a vast majority dictating things, you get a true Democracy without any representation.

America is meant to be a republic, and the phrase "Under God" does not represent the entire populace. It only represents one single group of people.

Which of course, would cry holy hell if the phrase was "Allahu Ackbar" or "ALL HAIL SATAN!".

Which is the entire point. Why should only one group be represented above all others in a representative republic?

In order to represent all people, the money shouldn't have that kind of saying on it. The money should be neutral.

the motto should be,"Please don't put this money in your mouth".

The relentless, tireless, pursuit of eliminating God from the American Experiment continues. Not yet 300 years into it, and it looks like we are marching stupidly into the morass of failed democracies for want of a belief in God.

oh please

Originally Posted by CharlesDavenport

The relentless, tireless, pursuit of eliminating God from the American Experiment continues. Not yet 300 years into it, and it looks like we are marching stupidly into the morass of failed democracies for want of a belief in God.

No one is asking you to not believe in God. No one is insisting that you not believe in God. You're simply being asked to respect the beliefs of others as you wish them to respect yours.

This country was successfully founded without the benefit of "under God" or "In God We Trust". "Under God", in fact, is a relatively recent idea, so those who refer to it as "tradition" do so stupidly. It's not. Tradition, in fact, is to not have it...

Originally Posted by Steve

No one is asking you to not believe in God. No one is insisting that you not believe in God. You're simply being asked to respect the beliefs of others as you wish them to respect yours.

This country was successfully founded without the benefit of "under God" or "In God We Trust". "Under God", in fact, is a relatively recent idea, so those who refer to it as "tradition" do so stupidly. It's not. Tradition, in fact, is to not have it...

So you are going to argue that the influence of a belief in God was not a major factor in this country's birth and survival - inasmuch as the major players depended on it?

The belief in God was also a major factor in much of the blood spilled in America's name too.

Along with the good came the bad.

"...that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." Abraham Lincoln, November 19, 1863

YAY!

*Golf clap*