Thread: NBC and the "Pledge of Allegiance"

Originally Posted by Slon

Why should it be said in whole if some parts of it are justifiably offensive to some Americans?

It is a pledge. You know you making a solemn oath to something. How is doing it halfass not disrespectful?


This is the problem with youth today to damn selfish to understand anything past their myopic view.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

It is a pledge. You know you making a solemn oath to something. How is doing it halfass not disrespectful?

Disrespectful to whom? It could be argued it's disrespectful to the core principles on which America was founded to alter the pledge to include "god" and then to utter it in that form.

This is the problem with youth today to damn selfish to understand anything past their myopic view.

I understand the American theocrat's view. I just don't agree with it.

Originally Posted by Slon

Disrespectful to whom? It could be argued it's disrespectful to the core principles on which America was founded to alter the pledge to include "god" and then to utter it in that form.

I understand the American theocrat's view. I just don't agree with it.

I think you should read the definition of that word. I don't think you understand it .

Originally Posted by thanatos144

I think you should read the definition of that word. I don't think you understand it .

Thanks. I read it. Your homework tonight is to look up "dodging."

Originally Posted by Slon

Thanks. I read it. Your homework tonight is to look up "dodging."

I am not the one dodging. I have made my case over and over again. It is you who are dodging. You keep bringing up something that has not bearing on the discussion. Do you think you win points in a debate by just accusing me of being something? Like just screaming RACIST!!! means common sense and truth is just forgotten? Calling me something I am obviously not only tells me that you have not answers and can only fall on tired tactics to appease your own ego.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

I am not the one dodging.

:rolleyes:

Here is what you dodged:

Disrespectful to whom? It could be argued it's disrespectful to the core principles on which America was founded to alter the pledge to include "god" and then to utter it in that form.

I have made my case over and over again. It is you who are dodging.

So you didn't look it up...

You keep bringing up something that has not bearing on the discussion. Do you think you win points in a debate by just accusing me of being something? Like just screaming RACIST!!! means common sense and truth is just forgotten? Calling me something I am obviously not only tells me that you have not answers and can only fall on tired tactics to appease your own ego.

This thread is about the pledge and as you can see that's what I was writing about. I even copied and pasted it for you into this post (above). Not sure how "screaming RACIST!!!" plays into this exchange.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

I am thinking you might want to read the federalist papers to understand our constitution.

Which of them are you referring to?

Originally Posted by thanatos144

This is the problem with youth today to damn selfish to understand anything past their myopic view.

I wonder if they missed grammar class too (as opposed to, "to.")
And what's the matter; are semi-colons against your religion?

But your post isn't a total loss. At least you proved you've made it to the "M's" in the dictionary.

Originally Posted by Slon

Disrespectful to whom? It could be argued it's disrespectful to the core principles on which America was founded to alter the pledge to include "god" and then to utter it in that form.

Excellent point. Don't expect a response to it any time real soon.

Originally Posted by DL-44

It's not a fear of religion but a fanaticism of partisan politics that drive this.

Religion wasn't even really a political issue until about Roe v. Wade but now liberals are obligated to be atheists while conservatives are obligated to be Christian. Democrats will profess their religious beliefs come election time in an attempt to appeal to swing voters, but for the most part they have an ideological duty to oppose all things religion just as they have the same ideological duty to oppose all things related to business no matter how good, bad, or legal it is.

It's pretty nonsensical in my opinion but it is what it is.

Explain Ayn Rand's atheism.

Originally Posted by Sluggo

They (NBC) have the right to alter, shorten, whatever (destroy) the Pledge Of Allegiance for some ad during the US Open. To my knowledge there is little in the way to edit out "God" for whatever reason they had in mind for this ad. However, you also have every right to complain about it then change the channel. If they had to "apologize" for it, all that shows to me is an active attempt to win over both sides of the issue and not offend anyone. Not that it will work but they are trying. It was obvious from the ads they had an active intention to remove "God" from the pledge, this is not the first time we've had the debate on "God" being in the pledge anyway, and suspect this will continue. Personally, I no longer give much thought to this debate as we have far more important issues to deal with these days.

More important than being a Godless nation?
Biggest biker dude rules...

Originally Posted by Bottlecap

More important than being a Godless nation?
Biggest biker dude rules...

I'd be ok with us being a Godless nation. All religion seems to end in is further social divide, hypocrisy, judgement, social control legislation, a great way to make tax free money claiming to be speaking the word of whichever "God" is represented, sometimes division ending in war, and in the most extreme cases terrorism.

All organized religion has given us is a mess for others to deal with.

I have no idea why Americans care so much about a pledge of allegiance?
Do you think that other countries who don't have such pledges have no love of country and that simply making people say something that some of them don't even agree with completely (I'm on about the under god part here) will make you more patriotic?