Thread: GOP had secret meeting on innauguration night to figure out how to grind country to a halt

One of the most obvious signs of childishness on the part of liberals is the shock that Republicans are actually trying to beat Barack Obama!

And the GOP doesn't obstruct where there is common ground. They passed the trade deals the President wanted. They've offered up alternatives for every single major bill the Democrats have wanted to pass.

Originally Posted by adaher

One of the most obvious signs of childishness on the part of liberals is the shock that Republicans are actually trying to beat Barack Obama!

And the GOP doesn't obstruct where there is common ground. They passed the trade deals the President wanted. They've offered up alternatives for every single major bill the Democrats have wanted to pass.

If they have a plan to bring to grind the country to a halt, they are pretty bad at it.

They've certainly obstructed more than usual, but then Obama's agenda has been more ambitious than usual and he hasn't been interested in compromise. They had big majorities and they intended to use them, and they did use them. All the Republicans did was cause delays. Which aren't important unless you know you're passing unpopular bills, and so you need speed. The Democrats knew they were two years and out of office, so they were in hurry up mode. Then they petulantly complained when Republicans delayed them from passing bills without actually reading them.

Originally Posted by eohrnberger

So if you live in fiscal reality, where you can't and shouldn't be spending more than you take in, that would mean the Democrats are in fact spending the country into a fiscal crisis faster than the Republicans, and that, in turn, would make Democratic leadership of the country worse for the country.

I'm glad that you agree.

As I've been saying for many years...
Jobs first
Taxes second
Eliminate nonsense like planned parethood, paid abortions, subsidies

None of this is really about Republicans vs Democrats but Conservatives vs Liberal. Take a look at the debate about College Loan Rates. The House is going to approve the current rate by cutting spending the liberals refuse to allow. Liberal alternative: Raise taxes. Liberals never understand that we have a SPENDING problem not a TAX revenue problem.

Okay first off how secret could it have been if Danny knows about it? Second it isn't obstructing trying ti keep the president and democrats from destroying the country that's called doing their damn job. As for the both parties are the same bullshit that some like to preach.......Just stop. Cause anyone with half a brain knows the differences. You dont like spending on anything other than Pot or abortion? Then vote libertarian and leave republicans alone. At least then you would be honest.

The liberal take over of the nation has to come to a end if we wish the USA to survive.

Originally Posted by adaher

They've certainly obstructed more than usual, but then Obama's agenda has been more ambitious than usual and he hasn't been interested in compromise. They had big majorities and they intended to use them, and they did use them. All the Republicans did was cause delays. Which aren't important unless you know you're passing unpopular bills, and so you need speed. The Democrats knew they were two years and out of office, so they were in hurry up mode. Then they petulantly complained when Republicans delayed them from passing bills without actually reading them.

So, to pass unpopular bills, you have to go fast? Great strategy from the Dems here. I'm not saying that all legislation needs to be popular, sometimes there is bitter medicine that needs to be swallowed, but shouldn't the mere fact that the legislation is unpopular tell you (and the legislators) something?

Originally Posted by USCitizen

As I've been saying for many years...
Jobs first
Taxes second
Eliminate nonsense like planned parethood, paid abortions, subsidies

I'm down with that.

Originally Posted by Lost Time

None of this is really about Republicans vs Democrats but Conservatives vs Liberal. Take a look at the debate about College Loan Rates. The House is going to approve the current rate by cutting spending the liberals refuse to allow. Liberal alternative: Raise taxes. Liberals never understand that we have a SPENDING problem not a TAX revenue problem.

I'm in full agreement with this. The federal government has had a spending problem for many, many years, it's a threat to the country, and neither side is doing anything of real significance about it (they appear to be ignoring the problem if you ask me).

Originally Posted by eohrnberger

So, to pass unpopular bills, you have to go fast? Great strategy from the Dems here. I'm not saying that all legislation needs to be popular, sometimes there is bitter medicine that needs to be swallowed, but shouldn't the mere fact that the legislation is unpopular tell you (and the legislators) something?

Some legislation is unpopular because the issues are complex and the average person isn't likely to understand them, and in any case, most people aren't directly affected by the legislation anyway. Things like foreign policy, or banking reform. But health care, geez, that's an issue that touches everyone in a big way and people have very firm opinions on it. Democrats were extremely arrogant to try to rush a bill through before the public could look at it. Then they had the temerity to complain that Republicans were holding up progress. Well, yeah! They held it up long enough so that the public could find out what was in it, and the public didn't like it. They still don't like it, the more they find out about it.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

As for the both parties are the same bullshit that some like to preach.......Just stop. Cause anyone with half a brain knows the differences.

I agree.

They're not "the same".

They're two sides to the same coin.

One side wants to take my money and spend it on corporate subsidies and enough nuclear weapons to blow up the Solar System 100 time over.

The other side wants to take my money and spend in on feel-good social programs.

One side wants to dictate to me the type of lifestyle I can live based on their religious beliefs.

The other side wants to dictate to me the type of lifestyle I can live based on their lack of religious beliefs.

One side wants pass sweeping and unconstitutional legislation that supports "conservative" worldviews.

The other side wants pass sweeping and unconstitutional legislation that supports "liberal" worldviews.

So, yes, they are very different.

But they're both carrying this nation, its people, and the ideals of its founders to hell in a handbasket quicker than you can spit.

Originally Posted by Forplay

Sorry, but Obama and you liberals have trumped anything the Pups have done in the way of spending. Do you not know that Obama and you liberals in just 4 yrs have raised the national debt by 6 trillion in Obama's first and only term... In fact Obama and clan has raised the national debt faster and higher than ever in history, and you say the Pubs want to up Obama in spending and raising the national debt to levels beyond Obama?

If I am not mistaken Obama has raised the national debt higher in just four yrs than Bush did in eight. Correct me is I'm wrong.

You're right, and if I interpret what you're saying correctly, you sound like a republican who is jealous that your party didn't have the balls to spend that much. After all, I don't see any condemnation from you about the republican irresponsible spending that occurred for the 8 years under bush, and 8 years under Reagan. I'll even neglect Bush Sr., since he at least tried to raise taxes to fund his war.

Originally Posted by eohrnberger

Sorry, but the rate at which the Dems spent when they controlled everything was the fastest in history, and we are going to be paying for it for years to come, perhaps even never being able to pay it all off. Your pointing to the Repubs as spending 'our nation into deficit catastrophe' is disingenuous and inconsistent with the facts.

Furthermore, the Repubs didn't just go and block everything the Dems proposed. All they insisted on was that the spending be paid for, and the Dems couldn't manage that, even among themselves.

Axelrod is an administration and partisan mouthpiece, and I distrust everything he says. He's campaigning for Obama's second term, so it's no wonder that he's spinning everything the way that he is. "Oh poor us Democrats, he mean Republicans are blocking everything that we are trying to do' is just pure partisan rhetoric and should be valued as such.

Now your reply has some merit on the surface, but generally Dems at least give lip-service to raising taxes in order to pay for spending. The Republicans have this mantra that cutting taxes will offset increased spending, which is flat-out bat-shit crazy. Republicans claim it worked under Reagan when tax rates were cut from 70% to 50%. Even if they're right, cutting them from 35% to 33% isn't going to offset trillions of extra debt. Furthermore, look at what the debt did under Reagan. Reagan TRIPLED the debt during his 8 years. Our debt would have to be 30 Trillion in 2016 for Obama to be as bad as that. The only thing republicans are doing now, by claiming spending has to be paid for, is stalling the Dems from doing exactly what the Republicans do when they are in the driver's seat. Its disingenuous for the republicans to claim after the last 30 years of bad examples that they are 'fiscally responsible'.

Don't confuse my criticism of the GOP with support for the Dems. But at least the dems do occasionally talk about raising taxes in order to pay for increased spending. Ultimately the GOP blocks any new taxes, but allow the spending to pass anyway ... so which party is actually causing us to go into debt worse? Hint: The answer rhymes with "loath"

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Okay first off how secret could it have been if Danny knows about it? Second it isn't obstructing trying ti keep the president and democrats from destroying the country that's called doing their damn job. As for the both parties are the same bullshit that some like to preach.......Just stop. Cause anyone with half a brain knows the differences. You dont like spending on anything other than Pot or abortion? Then vote libertarian and leave republicans alone. At least then you would be honest.

The liberal take over of the nation has to come to a end if we wish the USA to survive.

I would vote for Paul in a heartbeat just for being by far most honest and consistent than just about anyone else in politics for the last 16 years.

Dis,
The new/old mantra...
Dem debt BAD!
Pub debt GOOD!

Originally Posted by Lost Time

None of this is really about Republicans vs Democrats but Conservatives vs Liberal. Take a look at the debate about College Loan Rates. The House is going to approve the current rate by cutting spending the liberals refuse to allow. Liberal alternative: Raise taxes. Liberals never understand that we have a SPENDING problem not a TAX revenue problem.

I won't disagree with the last line, but I will add that Conservatives don't seem to understand that cutting taxes doesn't increase tax revenue. They CLAIM it did under Reagan, but actually Reagan tripled our national debt. In other words, the insane spending is why revenues and business grew under Reagan. Had Reagan cut taxes and also kept a balanced budget, tax revenue would have been down as well.

You can't solve dying of thirst in the desert by bringing less water. Now if you bring less water and drink the water allocated for your kids, then sure, you can temporarily do quite well.