Thread: Lowering the bar for Florida students.

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy USCitizen,

i agree with every bit 'o what ye wrote, 'cept the last bit.

why does the lack 'o quality in public schools (which are largely controlled on the local/state level) the fault 'o democrats?

imma not arguein' with ye, me friend, but i'd like to know how ye came to this conclusion.

- MeadHallPirate

Too much Rush Limbaugh from my past memories.

The fact is that the Republican suburb in which I reside also relies on the "feel good" illusion.

Originally Posted by Yojimbo

Another "blame the teachers" rant. Why does nobody hold parents responsible?

You can't. There are so many students whose parents either can't or won't help their children. It is for that reason teachers have to be special and it is also the reason homework is discriminatory against kids whose parents can't or won't help them. Teachers today are not the devoted teachers like I had in school 65 years ago. I don't ever remember teachers who left with the bell rang and did not stay to tutor slow children. The unions demanded schools to pay over time, which most can't afford and the teachers became more interested in the union than their students.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

Too much Rush Limbaugh from my past memories.

The fact is that the Republican suburb in which I reside also relies on the "feel good" illusion.

Illusion? I feel good about my status. I am not rich, but I made some good judgement calls and I am comfortable enough to take care of my family after living for years (happily I might add) under the poverty line. Try 4 kids as a Private E-1 with 6 before I was an E-5, and I wanted every one of them.

Originally Posted by dnsmith

You can't. There are so many students whose parents either can't or won't help their children. It is for that reason teachers have to be special and it is also the reason homework is discriminatory against kids whose parents can't or won't help them. Teachers today are not the devoted teachers like I had in school 65 years ago. I don't ever remember teachers who left with the bell rang and did not stay to tutor slow children. The unions demanded schools to pay over time, which most can't afford and the teachers became more interested in the union than their students.

What? Did I just stumble into insano world? The parents don't have the decency to follow up on children so it's the responsibility of the teachers. Ok then:rolleyes: Fyi since teachers are on contract they don't get "overtime". The vast majority of teachers always stay late for something. It's clear you haven't been on a school campus or spoken to an educator in 65 years.

Originally Posted by dnsmith

Illusion? I feel good about my status. I am not rich, but I made some good judgement calls and I am comfortable enough to take care of my family after living for years (happily I might add) under the poverty line. Try 4 kids as a Private E-1 with 6 before I was an E-5, and I wanted every one of them.

I have to tell you that I quite honestly am not impressed with your delight over poverty.
Poverty doesn't cure diseases, it doesn't create infrastructure or technology that would shock people who lived 100 years ago.

Perhaps it's my religion which commands mankind to subdue the earth and a father to educate his children.

Replacing being the best you can be given one's God given potential with, "Don't strain yourself honey, just be happy", doesn't quite make for good use of our tax dollars.

ahoy Yojimbo,

welcome to USPO, matey.

in todays world, parents have zero responsibility in the eyes 'o many.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by Yojimbo

What? Did I just stumble into insano world? The parents don't have the decency to follow up on children so it's the responsibility of the teachers. Ok then:rolleyes: Fyi since teachers are on contract they don't get "overtime". The vast majority of teachers always stay late for something. It's clear you haven't been on a school campus or spoken to an educator in 65 years.

Absolutely. Education is best done with Parent teacher cooperation, but all parents do not join in the effort. So what should we do? Let the students who don't have parents who can or will help their children go for broke? Not to my way of thinking. For every student who does not get a good education we will have one more welfare recipient. It would behoove us all to insist that teachers help those whose parents cannot or will not get involved. It is beneficial to the entire country.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

I have to tell you that I quite honestly am not impressed with your delight over poverty.

Delight in poverty? Wow, you have great imagination. The fact I was not unhappy while living below the poverty line seems to surprise you. Being poor is not necessarily a pattern for unhappiness.

Poverty doesn't cure diseases, it doesn't create infrastructure or technology that would shock people who lived 100 years ago.

So you think I believe that was the case? Baloney! My point is being poor does not mean a person or family has to be unhappy. Some of our happiest days were when our children were young and we did things together; like visiting castles in Germany, skiing in Austria on the free slopes, sledding in the Black Forest near Freiburg, going to the beach, water skiing during the summer, many things which were not expensive.

Perhaps it's my religion which commands mankind to subdue the earth and a father to educate his children.

Replacing being the best you can be given one's God given potential with, "Don't strain yourself honey, just be happy", doesn't quite make for good use of our tax dollars.

I think you have a warped mind the way you suggest how others feel.

Originally Posted by dnsmith

Delight in poverty? Wow, you have great imagination. The fact I was not unhappy while living below the poverty line seems to surprise you. Being poor is not necessarily a pattern for unhappiness.So you think I believe that was the case? Baloney! My point is being poor does not mean a person or family has to be unhappy. Some of our happiest days were when our children were young and we did things together; like visiting castles in Germany, skiing in Austria on the free slopes, sledding in the Black Forest near Freiburg, going to the beach, water skiing during the summer, many things which were not expensive.I think you have a warped mind the way you suggest how others feel.

The overall tone of your postings seems to suggest that poverty due to the controlling forces of the galaxy is just fine as long as you have your loving family with you.
I perceive life as more proactive in terms of society fighting back against those "controlling forces of the galaxy".

Originally Posted by USCitizen

The overall tone of your postings seems to suggest that poverty due to the controlling forces of the galaxy is just fine as long as you have your loving family with you.

I am beginning to believe you can't read. You obviously did not understand anything I said.

I perceive life as more proactive in terms of society fighting back against those "controlling forces of the galaxy".

Whatever "controlling forces of the galaxy" means. What I said was simply, the federal government's poverty line is bull crap. A family of 8 can live quite well on $38,000 a year and being more poor than that does not mean anyone has to be unhappy.

I have never met a family in the US who was truly living in absolute poverty because we have good safety nets to take care of our poor very well. Of course there are the exceptions which I have not met. Families don't need giant flat screen TVs, a new car every year, cell phones, computers, computer games etc. I don't believe tax payers should support luxuries for the poor as it does not give them any incentive to do better for themselves.

Originally Posted by Yojimbo

Another "blame the teachers" rant. Why does nobody hold parents responsible?

Hey if I pay a lawn care guy to mow my lawn and he doesn't mow it should I blame my parents for his incompetence? If most of a state has to lower the bar so schools can pass how is it ALL the parents fault and not the teachers?????

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Hey if I pay a lawn care guy to mow my lawn and he doesn't mow it should I blame my parents for his incompetence? If most of a state has to lower the bar so schools can pass how is it ALL the parents fault and not the teachers?????

The parents used to support the teachers. Expulsions and suspensions used to be tools that teachers can use to control misbehaving children. Children will rise up to the standards placed before them. Are the teachers in America's best performing high schools better or are the students pressured to succeed at home?

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Originally Posted by Yojimbo

The parents used to support the teachers. Expulsions and suspensions used to be tools that teachers can use to control misbehaving children. Children will rise up to the standards placed before them. Are the teachers in America's best performing high schools better or are the students pressured to succeed at home?

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try to comprehend ....The majority of Florida schools didn't pass a standardized test...They had to lower the grade average so they could pass....Now are ALL the parents in these failing schools at fault? At what point do you stop making excuses for people who cant seem to do the job they have? ANY other profession and they would be out on their asses looking for a new career....But Not teachers ..Oh no instead we blame the parents or even better the kids themselves...They blame everyone but the people actually charged with educating them. I have had great teachers in my life and and a bunch of really shity ones.....The really shity one even in my day out numbered the good ones.I am not talking just the mediocre ones....I am talking about the idiots who as I later found out didnt even know what they were teaching..... I work and my wife works.....We dont have 7 hours to teach our kids....We teach and help them when we can ...... I spend a lot of my time teaching them things they should already know at their age.... We should expect our teachers to do the job WE pay them for....If they cant teach the majority of kids to read at grade level then maybe we need to rethink if they should be teaching at all.....