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Congressman refuses to apologise for Islamaphobic letter

Whilst I can appreciate and understand why some people have a fear of Muslims based on the media generalisations of all Muslims supposedly being terrorists, I do not agree with this Congressman's actions. Whatever happened to the separation of Church and State? It seems that this line has been well and truly crossed, and some time ago, as I can't remember an election campaign - any campaign - in my lifetime where religion, religious belief, or God hasn't been at, or near the core. I don't necessarily think this is a good thing. Others thoughts?

Lawmaker won't apologize for 'Islamophobic'*letter - CNN.com
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A Virginia congressman will not apologize for writing that without immigration reform "there will be many more Muslims elected to office demanding the use of the Quran," his spokesman said.

Republican Rep. Virgil Goode's letter to constituents also warns that without immigration reform "we will have many more Muslims in the United States."

Spokesman Linwood Duncan said Goode's letter was written in response to complaints his office received about Minnesota Rep.-elect Keith Ellison's request to be sworn in using the Quran.

Ellison is the first Muslim to be elected to Congress.

Goode's office released the letter to CNN Wednesday.

In it, Goode wrote, "When I raise my hand to take the oath on Swearing In Day, I will have the Bible in my other hand. I do not subscribe to using the Quran in any way.

"The Muslim representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district and if American citizens don't wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Quran.

"We need to stop illegal immigration totally and reduce legal immigration and end the diversity visas policy pushed hard by President Clinton and allowing many persons from the Middle East to come to this country.

"I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the United States of America and to prevent our resources from being swamped."

He added, "The Ten Commandments and 'In God We Trust' are on the wall in my office. A Muslim student came by the office and asked why I did not have anything on my wall about the Quran.

"My response was clear, 'As long as I have the honor of representing the citizens of the 5th District of Virginia in the United States House of Representatives, the Quran is not going to be on the wall of my office.' "

The Council on American-Islamic Relations asked Goode to apologize.

"Rep. Goode's Islamophobic remarks send a message of intolerance that is unworthy of anyone elected to public office," the council's Corey Saylor said in a statement. "There can be no reasonable defense for such bigotry."

Duncan told CNN that Goode stands by his comments.
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Old 12-20-2006
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Re: Congressman refuses to apologise for Islamaphobic letter

Being a rascist helps Republicans appeal to the redneck constituents. Why do you think George Allen and Strom Thurmond were in office so long?
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Re: Congressman refuses to apologise for Islamaphobic letter

Actually, I agree with what the Congressman said and that he is refusing to apologize......At least he is being honest and not bowing to the "vote" pressure like some have.
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Re: Congressman refuses to apologise for Islamaphobic letter

It's pretty clear that the good Republican from Virginia would like to keep people out of the United States if they're not the right religion. It would be interesting to see his reaction if someone converted to Islam from another religion. What then?

The founding fathers must be spinning in their graves...
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Being a rascist helps Republicans appeal to the redneck constituents. Why do you think George Allen and Strom Thurmond were in office so long?
Yeah, Byrd has been in Congress since the early 50's. Oh wait! He's a Democrat!
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Yeah, Byrd has been in Congress since the early 50's. Oh wait! He's a Democrat!
I don't think there's any question that Byrd is/was a racist. That has nothing to do with this discussion, though.

The bullshit spewed by Virgil Goode, though, has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with religion...
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I don't think there's any question that Byrd is/was a racist. That has nothing to do with this discussion, though.

The bullshit spewed by Virgil Goode, though, has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with religion...
Maybe you'd like to re-read the post I responded to.
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Maybe you'd like to re-read the post I responded to.
Well, I guess I could've gone through and referenced every post which mentioned "race". Yours was the most convenient, so you won...
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Re: Congressman refuses to apologise for Islamaphobic letter

These things that conservatives think liberals care about: Robert Byrd, Air America, celebrities that mouth off thinking they know something, Cindy Sheehan, why?
Why do conservatives think liberals actually care about these things and people? While I've never personally seen any liberal friends of mine compliment those things or people. While I see liberals on the media defend Sheehan, I see just as many shun her. And I've never seen liberals reference Hollywood types, except Moore. And that's rarely. I've never seen a liberal on t.v. actually compliment Air America or say anything nice about Robert Byrd.

Again I ask: why do conservatives think liberals care about these extremist and undesirable elements of the left? I've seen no evidence to suggest liberals do.
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Re: Congressman refuses to apologise for Islamaphobic letter

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Whilst I can appreciate and understand why some people have a fear of Muslims based on the media generalisations of all Muslims supposedly being terrorists,
The media doesn't generalize all muslims as terrorists. (And nobody I know fears muslims.) What we do know is that most terrorists today happen to be muslim. That is why you incorrectly think that the media generalizes all muslims as terrorists. Whenever there is a terrorist act and the perpetrators are identified, the perps are most likely identified as muslims when the news is shown.

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Being a rascist helps Republicans appeal to the redneck constituents.
How does the elite liberal intelligentsia define "redneck?"

And since there are prominent dems that have display racist views (for example, Jessie Jackson and Al's not-to Sharpton), do you think they view blacks as rednecks because they were appealling to their hidden racist views?
Or are only white people capable of racisim?

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Why do you think George Allen and Strom Thurmond were in office so long?
Hmmm, maybe as long as the former Exalted Cyclops leader of the KKK, democratic senator Robert Byrd.

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Again, if you were an Iraqi—so you had nothing to do with 9/11 and your country did not possess weapons of mass destruction—yet George Wet Fart Bush claimed it did, and then ordered that a massive military attack on your country, wouldn't you call that terrorism?
Do you want to rephrase your statement that Iraq "did not possess weapons of mass destruction" so that its correct? Technically it did when we found over 500 chemical weapon munitions. Perhaps you should say, 'We did not find any nuclear weapons in Iraq' as this is much more correct.
And of course, there is the slight fact that many trucks were spotted via satillite leaving Iraq and heading into Syria right before we attacked Iraq. This was at a time when Iraq and Syria didn't have any free trade or friendly releations... Wonder what could have been on those trucks that were so valuable to Saddam that he would make friends with the Syrians in a haste? Maybe his playboy collection???

Regarding terrorisim, many Iraqis celebrated when we got rid of Saddam.
And by getting rid of Saddam we have almost stopped the suicide terrorist bombings in Israel.
And according to many prominet dems (watch them here), Saddam had WMD's and had to be stopped. Watching this video, it sounds as if Saddam was the real terrorist...

One last thing. Do you also refer to klinton as wet fart klinton because he also said Iraq had WMD's? In fact, he bombed Iraq with cruise missles to
destroy their WMD's. Remember? Wonder how many people were killed in that attack? Any idea?


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And by getting rid of Saddam we have almost stopped the suicide terrorist bombings in Israel.
And increased them within the borders of Iraq, which is where ouor troops are...

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Sincere question: What's the significance of spelling Clinton's name with the letter "K"? I've seen it done countless times before. It strikes me as pretty stupid, as nobody has ever been able to offer a reason for doing it...
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And increased them within the borders of Iraq, which is where ouor troops are...
Very true indeed. But its not Saddam who is backing these attacks.

And by the way, I dislike Bush and for the first time in years, did not vote for a Republican President in '04. So don't get the wrong idea that I am pro Bush. I also didn't think it was a good idea for us to attack Iraq and still think it was a bad idea (although over the last 2 or so years, I have learned quite a bit that I didn't know at the time we attacked Iraq and this information has now changed my view a little. I now lean roughly 90% against going in and 10% for going in).


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Sincere question: What's the significance of spelling Clinton's name with the letter "K"? I've seen it done countless times before. It strikes me as pretty stupid, as nobody has ever been able to offer a reason for doing it...
I've been asked this before. First, if you translate Clinton into Russian, the translated results begins with a K. Second, there is some love between many dems and the philosophy of communism and I have sensed this in klinton. Its also part dislike for him and some of what he has done (such as declassifing and releasing to any country who wanted them, more top secret nuclear weapon secrets than all of the previous presidents combined and by several mutiples. And of course, the plan to socialize the entire American medical system..). He's a socialist and socialism is a step towards communism according to my OS X's built in dictonary.


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Re: Congressman refuses to apologise for Islamaphobic letter

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The media doesn't generalize all muslims as terrorists. (And nobody I know fears muslims.) What we do know is that most terrorists today happen to be muslim. That is why you incorrectly think that the media generalizes all muslims as terrorists. Whenever there is a terrorist act and the perpetrators are identified, the perps are most likely identified as muslims when the news is shown.

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Actually, that's incorrect. According to the US own State Department, most terrorists attacks occur in Chechnya, Kashmir, and South America .... and are committed by non-Muslims. We only think that it's mostly Muslims as that's what the media likes to show.
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