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Will congress investigate the alledged Bush moves towards a North American Union?

I'd like to see the dems investigate Bush and the Repubicans over the alledged plans to combine the US, Mexico, and Canada into one country. For example, supposedly there are secret meetings taking place by government officials who are moving us towards this goal:

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NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) has been in effect almost 12 years and a new stage, NAFTA Plus, is in the works, referred to as “deep integration,” particularly in Canada. The elites of the three NAFTA countries (Canada, the United States, and Mexico) have been aggressively moving forward to build a new political and economic entity. A “trinational merger” is underway that leaps beyond the single market that NAFTA envisioned and, in many ways, would constitute a single state, called simply, “North America.”
Contrary to NAFTA, whose tenets were laid out in a single negotiated treaty subjected to at least cursory review by the legislatures of the participating countries, NAFTA Plus is more the elites’ shared vision of what a merged future will look like. Their ideas are being implemented through the signing of “regulations,” not subject to citizens’ review. This vision may initially have been labeled NAFTA Plus, but the name gives a mistaken impression of what is at hand, since there will be no single treaty text, no unique label to facilitate keeping tabs. Perhaps for this reason, some civil society groups are calling the phenomenon by another name, the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPPNA), an official sobriquet for the summits held by the three chief executives to agree on the future of “North America.”
When NAFTA was negotiated in the early 90s, civil society had little chance to provide input. In Mexico there was no public consultation. The Mexican congress at the time, still controlled by the Revolutionary Institutional Party (PRI), held perfunctory debates. Today civil society in the three countries is better informed and mobilized. In Mexico the congress no longer rubber stamps bills sent by the president. This explains in part why deeper integration is taking place through a series of regulations and executive decrees that avoid citizen watchdogs and legislative oversight. Activist civil society organizations have to work overtime to keep up.
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I'd also like the dems to investigate if the wide open borders have anything to do with speeding up (or helping) the process towards a North American Union by letting in millions of illegal immigrants with the goal of integration through massive illegal immigration. (In other words, did Bush and/or Republicans purposely not seal our border?)

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Re: Will congress investigate the alledged Bush moves towards a North American Union?

What's to investigate. It has long been considered But you might just as well investigate the plan to build a tunnel under the Meditranian sea. that has been on the drawing board since before WWII. so has the NAU.
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Re: Will congress investigate the alledged Bush moves towards a North American Union?

Wasnt it Clinton who pushed NAFTA through? Will the Dems investigate him too?
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What's to investigate. It has long been considered But you might just as well investigate the plan to build a tunnel under the Meditranian sea. that has been on the drawing board since before WWII. so has the NAU.
I'm not sure the NAU plan is real or not. There are lots of people who are saying it is real. So why not investigate it?

If it is real, I want Bush and Republicans investigated for their roles in it (since it seems to be more or less backed by Republicans). I also want to know what was said in the alleged secret meetings and who attended.


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Wasnt it Clinton who pushed NAFTA through? Will the Dems investigate him too?
Hey, if the dems can shamelessly investigate Bush for firing 8 US attorneys while the USDOJ's own website says the President can fire US attorneys at will, then anybody is fair game in my book.

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I'm not sure the NAU plan is real or not. There are lots of people who are saying it is real. So why not investigate it?

If it is real, I want Bush and Republicans investigated for their roles in it (since it seems to be more or less backed by Republicans). I also want to know what was said in the alleged secret meetings and who attended.


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The alleged "Secret meatings have been going on since the spanish american war. Nothing new there. are you also going to investigate the "Secret meetings of the Masonic lodge????
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Re: Will congress investigate the alledged Bush moves towards a North American Union?

Why investigate it when they could just vote against it when/if it ever actually becomes a remote possibiliy?
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Re: Will congress investigate the alledged Bush moves towards a North American Union?

I think the senate should have a standing committee on it, since they will be the ones voting on any new treaties.
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Why the great picture when I said "alleged" and "not sure if the NAU plan is real or not?" (And especially when I posted a link from a reliable source that said the secret meetings are taking place and quoted what the site said?)

By the way, I don't remember exactly where I found that link but I think it was either on a UN site (related to free trade with South and/or Central America) or a pro-FTAA site. That is why I bookmarked it. If you take the time to explore the site, you'll see it's not some bogus site. In fact, they talk about American being a global good neighbor and even appear to have pre-written letters (to send to newspapers) that appear to be anti-Iraq war.
ahttp://ggn.irc-online.org/neighbor/3606

The site also appears to be a rightwing watch site. (http://rightweb.irc-online.org/)

In short, your incorrectly implying I'm wearing a tin hat when I said I wasn't sure secret meetings were taking place and after I quoted the site which said secret meetings are taking place (and the site itself appears to be anti-neocon and anti-Iraq war. So it must be credible).

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Why the great picture when I said "alleged" and "not sure if the NAU plan is real or not?" (And especially when I posted a link from a reliable source that said the secret meetings are taking place and quoted what the site said?)

By the way, I don't remember exactly where I found that link but I think it was either on a UN site (related to free trade with South and/or Central America) or a pro-FTAA site. That is why I bookmarked it. If you take the time to explore the site, you'll see it's not some bogus site. In fact, they talk about American being a global good neighbor and even appear to have pre-written letters (to send to newspapers) that appear to be anti-Iraq war.
ahttp://ggn.irc-online.org/neighbor/3606

The site also appears to be a rightwing watch site. (International Relations Center - IRC - People-Centered Policy Alternatives Since 1979

In short, your incorrectly implying I'm wearing a tin hat when I said I wasn't sure secret meetings were taking place and after I quoted the site which said secret meetings are taking place (and the site itself appears to be anti-neocon and anti-Iraq war. So it must be credible).

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Well, when you said this:

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I'd like to see the dems investigate Bush and the Repubicans over the alledged plans to combine the US, Mexico, and Canada into one country. For example, supposedly there are secret meetings taking place by government officials who are moving us towards this goal:


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I'd also like the dems to investigate if the wide open borders have anything to do with speeding up (or helping) the process towards a North American Union by letting in millions of illegal immigrants with the goal of integration through massive illegal immigration. (In other words, did Bush and/or Republicans purposely not seal our border?)

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You were implying that it was worth investigating. I've not seen anything resembling a reliable source to indicate that this is anything but a sham.
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Re: Will congress investigate the alledged Bush moves towards a North American Union?

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Well, when you said this:



You were implying that it was worth investigating. I've not seen anything resembling a reliable source to indicate that this is anything but a sham.

Here are a few sources that I've found that sort of mention a plan for a NAU or at least parts of it:

http://www.asu.edu/clas/nacts/bna/ (I just found some good pdf files from this site which I didn't see before. Hopefully, they'll give some more insight into the meaning of "deep integration.")

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/cover121406.htm

http://www.senate.gov/~foreign/testi...mony050609.pdf

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-853

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...mment-opinions

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...1/b3863023.htm

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Re: Will congress investigate the alledged Bush moves towards a North American Union?

Interesting.

Thank you for the links.
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I think in the coming years, people won't be so quick to mock or dismiss the idea of a "North American Union," kramer, and I'm relatively sure that it will become a reality before this century is over. I've seen some evidence for it, much less than your sources say, but it just seems the only direction for this world to move in, in my opinion. We live in a globalizing world, obviously, and so far economic institutions have led the way, as well as many social ones as well. I don't see why the political institution "nation-state" won't change either.

Anyway, as far as Congress creating some commission on Bush's policies that relate to this, I wouldn't count on it too much, but perhaps it'll happen. This whole phenomenon doesn't seem to be a news-grabbing topic, though, so other issues more pressing on the public mind will likely take the stage in Congress. That, and my conspiratorial-tinfoilhat-paranoid side has a slim feeling that some of the media moguls would rather keep things on the low as well.
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