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What is wrong with the media, that ignores this story? I bet the peoepl of New Orleans dont even know its going on.
Only if they don't watch the local news or read the Times-Picayune! The media have covered it well down here but it doesn't seem to matter, the voters are going to vote along racial lines. Jefferson's opponent is a well-known local news reporter but she's white so she won't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting in.
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I guess that's what I meant. Expelled. But that's what is so strange about this, Jefferson doesn't need to be convicted to be expelled.
He could be, it depends on how the members vote, similar proceedings to impeachment etc, just a different legal definition due to different levels of privellage and what is determined to be legal and for whom.

Remember when DeLay had to stand down when he was indicted? Well basically there's no such law for the dems and when we tried to reverse the rule we put in place couldn't, the Dems just never had such a rule for themselves.
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His trial is set for December but the runoff is Nov. 4. Unfortunately, he'll probably be re-elected due to the black vote which is expected to be at it's highest. I understand that he's innocent until proven guilty but damn, the evidence is against him and it doesn't take a rocket science to figure that one out! What the hell is wrong with the idiots in New Orleans??????
However (and I hate myself for this but) in defense of Jefferson if the evidence is so rock solid why hasn't a trial begun? OJ got caught and convicted in less than a year in the robbery case.

The longer this goes the more suspect I think the evidence must be.
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There are some legal difficulties to get round for Justice, like how the information was seized and so on, again, basically legislators not realising their place.
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However (and I hate myself for this but) in defense of Jefferson if the evidence is so rock solid why hasn't a trial begun? OJ got caught and convicted in less than a year in the robbery case.

The longer this goes the more suspect I think the evidence must be.
It's the feds we're dealing with and you know how expedient they are! Also, isn't it a helluva lot more convenient to allow the voters to reelect him and THEN have the trial??? (sarcasm!)
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Re: New info out on William Jefferson

Looking at those primary results, I'd say it looks tough for Jefferson, he only got 25% of the vote, 75% of the primary voters wanted someone else, and on 11/4 Moreno is the only someone else on the ballot. She got 20%, and the 55% that didn't vote for either of them probably have more reason to vote against Jefferson than to vote against Moreno.
Hopefully that's the way it goes.

Let me just add that I think Obama hurts Jefferson.
Because for the black voters who felt they needed a black voice, they get one in the White House, and that makes them feel good, and since they also know that Obama has a lot of white people voting for him, it takes the us-them black-white thing down a notch, not for all of them, but hopefully for enough so that when Jefferson goes to trial it's as a private citizen.
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Looking at those primary results, I'd say it looks tough for Jefferson, he only got 25% of the vote, 75% of the primary voters wanted someone else, and on 11/4 Moreno is the only someone else on the ballot. She got 20%, and the 55% that didn't vote for either of them probably have more reason to vote against Jefferson than to vote against Moreno.
Hopefully that's the way it goes.

Let me just add that I think Obama hurts Jefferson.
Because for the black voters who felt they needed a black voice, they get one in the White House, and that makes them feel good, and since they also know that Obama has a lot of white people voting for him, it takes the us-them black-white thing down a notch, not for all of them, but hopefully for enough so that when Jefferson goes to trial it's as a private citizen.
I hope you're right but I don't think so. The black vote was split between six black candidates. Helena Moreno, though not a politician, is well known in the city because of her years on the local news and so she'll keep the white vote. The black vote will go to Jefferson and since there's a majority of blacks, I'm sure we'll see Jefferson take at least 60% of the votes. It's sad that it works that way but what can you do?
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Only if they don't watch the local news or read the Times-Picayune! The media have covered it well down here but it doesn't seem to matter, the voters are going to vote along racial lines. Jefferson's opponent is a well-known local news reporter but she's white so she won't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting in.



better watch that. you'll be branded a racist.
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better watch that. you'll be branded a racist.
LOL If someone brands me a racist for stating a proven fact then it brands them as stupid!!!!
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LOL If someone brands me a racist for stating a proven fact then it brands them as stupid!!!!


Careful with that, you'll be branded a "broad brusher" !
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I hope you're right but I don't think so. The black vote was split between six black candidates. Helena Moreno, though not a politician, is well known in the city because of her years on the local news and so she'll keep the white vote. The black vote will go to Jefferson and since there's a majority of blacks, I'm sure we'll see Jefferson take at least 60% of the votes. It's sad that it works that way but what can you do?
That's why I think Obama hurts Jefferson, voting against the highest ranking black on the ballot may be a lot harder than voting against a down ballot black.
But if you're black and you just voted for a black president, you may just be feeling a little better about the system, and making a choice on other than racial grounds may be a lot easier.
And the fact that most blacks voted against Jefferson, the known quantity, means that most New Orleans blacks do have an issue with Jefferson.
Of course a lot depends on the candidate, who I haven't seen, but the right candidate can win.
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That's why I think Obama hurts Jefferson, voting against the highest ranking black on the ballot may be a lot harder than voting against a down ballot black.
But if you're black and you just voted for a black president, you may just be feeling a little better about the system, and making a choice on other than racial grounds may be a lot easier.
And the fact that most blacks voted against Jefferson, the known quantity, means that most New Orleans blacks do have an issue with Jefferson.
Of course a lot depends on the candidate, who I haven't seen, but the right candidate can win.
Well, like I said, I hope you're right but I'm not going to bet on it. Things like this happen in just about every New Orleans election, five or six blacks against one or two white and historically, most everyone has voted along racial lines, including in the runoffs. The most qualified of candidates have lost because of those racial lines and so New Orleanians are now reaping what they have sown.
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How's this for a tap dance by Nagin?

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As he seeks a 10th term from the 2nd District, U.S. Rep. William Jefferson has yet to draw an endorsement from a single local elected official. But it seems he can count on Mayor Ray Nagin's vote Tuesday.

In an appearance this week on WGNO-TV, Nagin said he was not endorsing Jefferson, who is awaiting trial on federal corruption charges. Instead, Nagin said, he was expressing his personal opinion that Jefferson is a better choice than his Democratic runoff opponent, former television reporter Helena Moreno.

"I'm looking at the two candidates, and I see one who's very experienced who has some legal problems, and I see one who's very inexperienced," Nagin told WGNO anchor Michael Hill. "I think about my last visit to Congress, when they were dealing with the financial crisis on Wall Street. Congressman Jefferson had the best grasp of this issue of anybody I met with, and I met with congressional leadership. And I just think we need that going forward."
Jefferson gets word bouquet from Nagin- NOLA.com
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nagin? what do you expect? unreal.
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As he seeks a 10th term from the 2nd District, U.S. Rep. William Jefferson has yet to draw an endorsement from a single local elected official. But it seems he can count on Mayor Ray Nagin's vote Tuesday.

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In an appearance this week on WGNO-TV, Nagin said he was not endorsing Jefferson, who is awaiting trial on federal corruption charges. Instead, Nagin said, he was expressing his personal opinion that Jefferson is a better choice than his Democratic runoff opponent, former television reporter Helena Moreno.

"I'm looking at the two candidates, and I see one who's very experienced who has some legal problems, and I see one who's very inexperienced," Nagin told WGNO anchor Michael Hill. "I think about my last visit to Congress, when they were dealing with the financial crisis on Wall Street. Congressman Jefferson had the best grasp of this issue of anybody I met with, and I met with congressional leadership. And I just think we need that going forward."
Strange, I could swear I've heard this argument before sometime.
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