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Old 06-09-2008
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Re: New ANWR Bill in the Senate

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I am of the opinion, that if the private sector needs public sector interference in the markets to justify feasibility of a given venture, then the public sector could consider a similar venture on a not for profit basis.
As we speak, there is a special legislative session ongoing in Alaska about just this concept. The State of Alaska, is willing to put up $500million to jumpstart the Alaska Gas Line project. Which has 35trillion cubic feet. Enough to apparently fuel the midwest for 20-30 years. There is a good chance these efforts will pass.
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As an example, the US Interior Department could drill, from without a given nature preserve, to extract natural resources, and promote and provide for advances in specific technologies that may be of signal advantage to the Union.
Private industry needs permission to extract the subsurface resources. Exxon, Conoco and BP already own the nearest outside of ANWR areas. That oil could be online in less than 5 years.
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A metric, as a basis for comparison, could be that of the opportunity cost of legislating tax incentives for the private sector versus the public sector doing the work, at cost.
Again this very thing is being discussed through the AGIA(Alaska Gasline Inducement Act) process. Right now there is two competing proposals. One that is through the AGIA process which will allow a combination of public and private funds. Then the producers proposal which is done outside of that issue, and done without public money. But the timeline to do so is much longer and more or less indefinate. Whereas the AGIA process is going to take a rather small amount of public money and set a realistic timetable for actually building a project that will make an actual difference in the energy prices of large segments of the American people.
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Re: New ANWR Bill in the Senate

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As we speak, there is a special legislative session ongoing in Alaska about just this concept. The State of Alaska, is willing to put up $500million to jumpstart the Alaska Gas Line project. Which has 35trillion cubic feet. Enough to apparently fuel the midwest for 20-30 years. There is a good chance these efforts will pass.

Private industry needs permission to extract the subsurface resources. Exxon, Conoco and BP already own the nearest outside of ANWR areas. That oil could be online in less than 5 years.

Again this very thing is being discussed through the AGIA(Alaska Gasline Inducement Act) process. Right now there is two competing proposals. One that is through the AGIA process which will allow a combination of public and private funds. Then the producers proposal which is done outside of that issue, and done without public money. But the timeline to do so is much longer and more or less indefinate. Whereas the AGIA process is going to take a rather small amount of public money and set a realistic timetable for actually building a project that will make an actual difference in the energy prices of large segments of the American people.
How can US production of anything help Americans on the price of a global commodity priced in devaluing USD? What do you think started price escalation of crude oil other than failing USD and US ME foreign policy? Unless US production of natural gas is nationalized or the US gets it act together and displays some semblance of fiscal responsibility, with regard to market pricing it doesn't matter where natural gas is produced.
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Old 06-09-2008
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Re: New ANWR Bill in the Senate

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As we speak, there is a special legislative session ongoing in Alaska about just this concept. The State of Alaska, is willing to put up $500million to jumpstart the Alaska Gas Line project. Which has 35trillion cubic feet. Enough to apparently fuel the midwest for 20-30 years. There is a good chance these efforts will pass.

Private industry needs permission to extract the subsurface resources. Exxon, Conoco and BP already own the nearest outside of ANWR areas. That oil could be online in less than 5 years.

Again this very thing is being discussed through the AGIA(Alaska Gasline Inducement Act) process. Right now there is two competing proposals. One that is through the AGIA process which will allow a combination of public and private funds. Then the producers proposal which is done outside of that issue, and done without public money. But the timeline to do so is much longer and more or less indefinate. Whereas the AGIA process is going to take a rather small amount of public money and set a realistic timetable for actually building a project that will make an actual difference in the energy prices of large segments of the American people.
Perhaps the state of Alaska can request the general government of the Union to promote and provide for the general Welfare of the United States by providing the inertia that will provide for advances in resource recovery technologies in the process.

I think there is room for debate on which business entity can recover those resources most effectively. The public sector can recover subsurface resources at cost. Advances in boring technologies could also be of benefit in many other applications once costs can be made more competitive with current resource extraction methods.
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Old 06-10-2008
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I think a bill nationalizing the oil reserves should be introduced, the federal government should get half the wellhead price, from every oil well in the US, this would help with the national debt and put us on the same basis as every other country that has oil reserves.
Congress can't even manage it's own restaurant facilities on Capitol Hill and the idea of them nationalizing any major industry in this country is ludicrous. Giving them 50% of the proceeds for what? More pork and payouts? By the way the news yesterday stated that they would turn over the restaurant facilities to a "private" company who CAN manage it and CAN make payroll. Imagine that....private industry doing things more efficiently than governmentWhen are people going to wake up and see that government should govern (limited) and get out of the business of business? Most of the politicians couldn't wipe their own butt if the directions were on the roll.
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Old 06-11-2008
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Re: New ANWR Bill in the Senate

Congress is enumerated the power "To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District..."

If one of their standing committees cannot oversee a given public sector business venture adequately, then perhaps, it should be delegated to the nearest budget office, or department Congress may choose to establish for such purposes.
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