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New ANWR Bill in the Senate

Looks like ole Senator Stevens is at it again with opening ANWR to drilling,
Jr. Alaska Senator Lisa Murkowski is also a co-sponsor. I havent seen actual language of the bill yet, but the Anchorage Daily News report is below in italics.
At what point will the rest of America wake up to its own energy needs and develop our resources responsibly and making the effort to minimize our dependance on middle eastern oil.


adn.com | Alaska News : Senators launch new effort to open ANWR to drilling
Senators launch new effort to open ANWR to drilling

By Erika Bolstad
| ebolstad@adn.com

Published: March 13th, 2008 02:29 PM
Last Modified: March 13th, 2008 03:30 PM

WASHINGTON -- Hoping to capitalize on the concerns of consumers at the gas pump, Sens. Lisa Murkowski and Ted Stevens introduced legislation today that would allow drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge if the price of oil hits $125 a barrel.

The senators hope that high oil prices, hovering at $110 a barrel this morning, will change the minds of fellow senators who, until now, have been opposed to opening the refuge to drilling.

"I think there was a time when we thought we would never see those prices," Murkowski said. "We've got to act as a nation to produce more for our country's needs. The reliance we have on foreign sources of oil, we all know, are at unhealthy levels."

Environmentalists say they are confident Murkowski and Stevens don't have 60 votes in the Senate to overcome a filibuster that would allow the bill to be heard.

They're also confident that outside of Alaska, there isn't public support for drilling in a national wildlife refuge, said Myke Bybee, a spokesman for the Sierra Club.

"No amount of oil and no amount of money is worth despoiling the Arctic Refuge," Bybee said. "I don't think there's support for opening up a special place like the Arctic refuge at any cost, at any amount of oil or at any cost of oil."
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Re: New ANWR Bill in the Senate

I think a bill nationalizing the oil reserves should be introduced, the federal government should get half the wellhead price, from every oil well in the US, this would help with the national debt and put us on the same basis as every other country that has oil reserves.
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That one might be a tougher sell than this ANWR bill, Goober, but who knows.
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I'm all for Protecting nature and the animals. However we should drill the oil we have weather it's in alaska or off the coast. I don't know much about drilling for oil but would have to say it's pretty safe to do as far as spills go. There were 4 or 5 dericks that were ripped from their anchors during katrena sp and I don't remember hearing about any big spills so that leads me too believe it's pretty safe
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Hi Wooyarn,
I understand where you are coming from. I would much rather protect the enviroment than harm it, and in Alaska we have had a few issues with spills and maintenance on the North Slope. But all things considered, with the exception of human error such as the Exxon Valdez, and the drunken idiot who shot the pipeline, things have gone alright for the most part over the last 30+ years all things considered and the technology is constantly improving.

As for offshore, I know they managed the issues with Katrina quite well. We have considerable offshore oil/gas reserves here as well. My concern with offshore in this enviroment, is that there is no proven way to clean up a spill through the sea ice that surrounds much of the state half the year.

I will gladly admit to having flipflopped on the ANWR issue over the years. Right now I am pro-drilling. Id like to see how Congress would react if all the workers on the oil fields in the north went on strike for a month and the price pushed to $200 a barrel. I doubt this would happen but it seems to be a more common suggestion up here as of late.
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Hi Wooyarn,
I understand where you are coming from. I would much rather protect the enviroment than harm it, and in Alaska we have had a few issues with spills and maintenance on the North Slope. But all things considered, with the exception of human error such as the Exxon Valdez, and the drunken idiot who shot the pipeline, things have gone alright for the most part over the last 30+ years all things considered and the technology is constantly improving.

As for offshore, I know they managed the issues with Katrina quite well. We have considerable offshore oil/gas reserves here as well. My concern with offshore in this enviroment, is that there is no proven way to clean up a spill through the sea ice that surrounds much of the state half the year.

I will gladly admit to having flipflopped on the ANWR issue over the years. Right now I am pro-drilling. Id like to see how Congress would react if all the workers on the oil fields in the north went on strike for a month and the price pushed to $200 a barrel. I doubt this would happen but it seems to be a more common suggestion up here as of late.
I spent acouple of years in an oil containment team in Alameda,Ca and dealing with oil in the water is tough in the best of conditions so I can imagine it's almost impossible with the ice thrown in. I also spent 8 months on search and rescue in Adak, got 3 frostbit fingers, hurts when they get cold. Off topic, I've watched a show on Discovery channel called " Ice road truckers" thats a hell of a way to get supplies from place to place. Are you in that area?
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I spent acouple of years in an oil containment team in Alameda,Ca and dealing with oil in the water is tough in the best of conditions so I can imagine it's almost impossible with the ice thrown in. I also spent 8 months on search and rescue in Adak, got 3 frostbit fingers, hurts when they get cold. Off topic, I've watched a show on Discovery channel called " Ice road truckers" thats a hell of a way to get supplies from place to place. Are you in that area?
I am actually closer to Adak than I am to where they do the ice road trucking. That is done largely in Canada in the Yukon and NWT. Where I live, %75 of goods are flown in. The rest comes in the summer on boat. No road connection to my community.

In terms of oil spills, again, most Alaskans are very weary of that possibility. 19 years later and one can go to Prince William Sound and dig down less than a foot and readily find oil left over the Exxon Valdez spill.

As for frostbite, well as a life long Alaskan, who has lived in areas that make Adak look like the Banana belt, only got frost bit once on nose tip. Keep those hands covered up. But thanks for your service in SAR. It is critical in this area. Those efforts arent overlooked and underappreciated.
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Looks like ole Senator Stevens is at it again with opening ANWR to drilling,
Jr. Alaska Senator Lisa Murkowski is also a co-sponsor. I havent seen actual language of the bill yet, but the Anchorage Daily News report is below in italics.
At what point will the rest of America wake up to its own energy needs and develop our resources responsibly and making the effort to minimize our dependance on middle eastern oil.


adn.com | Alaska News : Senators launch new effort to open ANWR to drilling
Senators launch new effort to open ANWR to drilling

By Erika Bolstad
| ebolstad@adn.com

Published: March 13th, 2008 02:29 PM
Last Modified: March 13th, 2008 03:30 PM

WASHINGTON -- Hoping to capitalize on the concerns of consumers at the gas pump, Sens. Lisa Murkowski and Ted Stevens introduced legislation today that would allow drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge if the price of oil hits $125 a barrel.

The senators hope that high oil prices, hovering at $110 a barrel this morning, will change the minds of fellow senators who, until now, have been opposed to opening the refuge to drilling.

"I think there was a time when we thought we would never see those prices," Murkowski said. "We've got to act as a nation to produce more for our country's needs. The reliance we have on foreign sources of oil, we all know, are at unhealthy levels."

Environmentalists say they are confident Murkowski and Stevens don't have 60 votes in the Senate to overcome a filibuster that would allow the bill to be heard.

They're also confident that outside of Alaska, there isn't public support for drilling in a national wildlife refuge, said Myke Bybee, a spokesman for the Sierra Club.

"No amount of oil and no amount of money is worth despoiling the Arctic Refuge," Bybee said. "I don't think there's support for opening up a special place like the Arctic refuge at any cost, at any amount of oil or at any cost of oil."

Hopefully the politicians in office stop listening to the enviro-wackjobs and allow drilling in ANWR.
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Re: New ANWR Bill in the Senate

I still think we need to invest in harvesting shale oil. We've got a ton of it in the continental US, which would make it cheaper in the long run than getting it out of Alaska.
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Alaska - Brought to you courtesy of a man with political courage who managed to acquire it in spite of the constant attacks from the "intellectuals" of his day.

History, as it seems, has treated him well.

As it will GWB.

As for the reserve, open it up. Duh. What are we waiting for? You think the Russians would be putting up with this environmental wacko bullshit if they still owned Alaska? The answer is no.

If the damned hippies love it so much, they should all move to ANWR. Better have extra-thick socks with your Birkenstocks.
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Alaska - Brought to you courtesy of a man with political courage who managed to acquire it in spite of the constant attacks from the "intellectuals" of his day.

History, as it seems, has treated him well.

As it will GWB.

As for the reserve, open it up. Duh. What are we waiting for? You think the Russians would be putting up with this environmental wacko bullshit if they still owned Alaska? The answer is no.

If the damned hippies love it so much, they should all move to ANWR. Better have extra-thick socks with your Birkenstocks.
Why aren't we drilling for the much more accessable oil reserves off the coast of Florida?
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Alaska - Brought to you courtesy of a man with political courage who managed to acquire it in spite of the constant attacks from the "intellectuals" of his day.

History, as it seems, has treated him well.

As it will GWB.

As for the reserve, open it up. Duh. What are we waiting for? You think the Russians would be putting up with this environmental wacko bullshit if they still owned Alaska? The answer is no.

If the damned hippies love it so much, they should all move to ANWR. Better have extra-thick socks with your Birkenstocks.
IIRC, GWB was working on getting ANWR open, then those pesky Muslims flew into some buildings here...kinda sidetracked some things along the way.
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History, as it seems, has treated him well.

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Why aren't we drilling for the much more accessable oil reserves off the coast of Florida?
Well other people have oil atm which we can trade with them for, eventually we'll turn to our own reserves at sme point though FL is the exception. everyone from Jebbie to the energy department of Bill Richardson seem pretty much (unanimously) to say no that. Alaska though we should be drilling for oil in immedietly, its just ridiculous not to.
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That's easy. Because jebhaliburtonrovecheneyenronneoconisrael, of course.

Duh.
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