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Maybe we can get a UN resolution passed so Darfor and Sudan can apologise for their slave trade of africans from last week (and next month too)?
aye - and an apology from China for allowing girls as young as 15 to works in brothels...
or maybe N.Korea for continuing to imprison 10'000's every year for political reasons.
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I don't know about you, but my great, great, great, great grandfather was long dead in the 1960s.
oh it all had to happen at once, I see, well its not always that easy. My family came here in 1915, maybe I owe few mia culpas? No don't think so. The resolution was 'apologizing for ‘slavery', that ended I believe back in 1863.
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Just "sorry"? No "Super Sorry"?

Assholes!
oh we need it super sized...well the drive thorugh is closed, but we have plenty of drive bys.
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aye - and an apology from China for allowing girls as young as 15 to works in brothels...
or maybe N.Korea for continuing to imprison 10'000's every year for political reasons.
or the Chinese who send them back when they escape to china....in violation of UN resolution by the way...
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oh it all had to happen at once, I see, well its not always that easy. My family came here in 1915, maybe I owe few mia culpas? No don't think so. The resolution was 'apologizing for ‘slavery', that ended I believe back in 1863.
Well I am only the 3rd generation here on both sides of my family...my wife is the first generation born in America...so someone owes me an apology for assuming I needed to make an apology!!
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Well I am only the 3rd generation here on both sides of my family...my wife is the first generation born in America...so someone owes me an apology for assuming I needed to make an apology!!
okay okay, I apologize...happy now?
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okay okay, I apologize...happy now?
Now shut up and eat your big mac. I have super sized the frys for you.


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This is the first step to reparations.

Bring me a former slave who's due an apology, and I'll bring you a former slave owner to apologize to him...
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The resolution was 'apologizing for ‘slavery', that ended I believe back in 1863.
By ratified ammendment officially in 1865, In the South only, during the war in 1863. I would be interested in knowing how many, who are pushing for an apology are active today in eradicating the slavery that exists in other parts of the world still.
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Re: House poised to apologize for slavery, Jim Crow

I'm not opposed to it. In the past I used to feel such things were indulgent and that I owed no duty to apologise for such things I had nothing to do. I changed my mind on it.

First, it's not that difficult to apologise for it. It's a quick measure and ends any debate that such things were wrong. Refusing to apologise citing the grounds I did I feel now are not very charitable of me and overlooks the Big Picture historically for my own self defence--a truthful one--that I was not involved in it. The apology is for the government by the government, a material difference.

This resolution doesn't fault me for it. The *government* did a centuries long egregious wrong though and needs to acknowledge it in its official capacity.

Second, it does in fact address current living victims of those policies. Slavery existed from the earliest days until 1865 and Jim Crow was the substitute child for outlawed slavery and it existed right up through the 1960s. People are alive who were suppressed under that and got set back for which they must now overcome. Many are doing that now but it shouldn't have happened in the first place.

There were even white victims of those policies. For example, I learnt last week that CNN reporter Soledad O'Brien's parents--a white Australian of Irish descent and a Cuban mother of black lineage--had to leave MD to go to DC to get married because their relationship and marriage was outlawed and a crime in MD where they lived.

If the government can apologise to interred Japanese descended US citizens in WWII, the black victims of the Tuskegee medical guinea pig experiments, etc., it can apologise for this large scale wrongdoing. It costs nothing, means a lot to its victims, shows class and best of all...shows progress.
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Well I am only the 3rd generation here on both sides of my family...my wife is the first generation born in America...so someone owes me an apology for assuming I needed to make an apology!!
And my family came here (well "there," until Saturday) permanently in 1987. It's not YOU that is making the apology, it is the country collectively.
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I'm not opposed to it. In the past I used to feel such things were indulgent and that I owed no duty to apologise for such things I had nothing to do. I changed my mind on it.

First, it's not that difficult to apologise for it. It's a quick measure and ends any debate that such things were wrong. Refusing to apologise citing the grounds I did I feel now are not very charitable of me and overlooks the Big Picture historically for my own self defence--a truthful one--that I was not involved in it. The apology is for the government by the government, a material difference.

This resolution doesn't fault me for it. The *government* did a centuries long egregious wrong though and needs to acknowledge it in its official capacity.

Second, it does in fact address current living victims of those policies. Slavery existed from the earliest days until 1865 and Jim Crow was the substitute child for outlawed slavery and it existed right up through the 1960s. People are alive who were suppressed under that and got set back for which they must now overcome. Many are doing that now but it shouldn't have happened in the first place.

There were even white victims of those policies. For example, I learnt last week that CNN reporter Soledad O'Brien's parents--a white Australian of Irish descent and a Cuban mother of black lineage--had to leave MD to go to DC to get married because their relationship and marriage was outlawed and a crime in MD where they lived.

If the government can apologise to interred Japanese descended US citizens in WWII, the black victims of the Tuskegee medical guinea pig experiments, etc., it can apologise for this large scale wrongdoing. It costs nothing, means a lot to its victims, shows class and best of all...shows progress.
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I'm still awaiting to hear an apology from the African tribes who raided weaker tribes to sell blacks to the slave buyers...if it wasn't for their work slavery would have certainly been on a smaller scale.
Course we also have to blame God for creating black people in the first place - what was he thinking? - he should have made everyone exactly the same ...not very progressive.
It's much bigger than that. It affected many races besides blacks, including Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans, etc. And many of its victims are still alive.

Even you fell under them although white. Your profile says you were born in 1965. Anti-miscegenation laws were not declared unconstitutional by the SCOTUS until 1967 in the case of Loving v. Virginia, wherein the lower VA court . . . funny that you mentioned God's racial plan in tongue-in-cheek . . . had held in all due and dark seriousness:

Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, Malay and red, and He placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with His arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that He separated the races shows that He did not intend for the races to mix.

During your own lifetime it was a crime for you in certain states to have a sexual relationship with and especially marry your current Mexican wife, such as under VA's Racial Integrity Act. In fact, it went so far that if authorities in VA had any opportunity, there was a decent chance that they would also have sterilised your eventual children according to its white supremacy eugenics practices using its pretextual Sterilization Act.

Granted, you were too young to have met and married your eventual wife and had your eventual children, but you did live for a period under your life when these legal barriers and evil intentions were existing because of those out there who hated your wife and children and your choice to love a Mexican and create children by one and desired act out on it with the force of law and official practices.

Lots of people still alive lived through this truly horrid crap on the statute books and actually experienced it detrimentally.

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The apology was issued. Will Blacks go on a rampage like Republicans predicted? I wasn't assaulted on my bike ride to work today: so far so good but I still have plenty of time today to be assaulted by an angry Black man.
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Re: House poised to apologize for slavery, Jim Crow

Yet another colossal waste of time.
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Yet another colossal waste of time.
Yes. I sincerely doubt that non white Americans are pissed off because of what some peoples' ancestors did to some other peoples' ancestors. Most are able to see that the current generation had nothing to do with slavery. Of far more importance is what is going on in the current environment, which can't be fixed with a meaningless apology. This just seems like a way to avoid making hard decisions while pretending to be working hard.
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