well I have read all the remarks, and am thinking this is just anther turn of the screw. Yes I have been beat to death by the PC police and am feeling put off.

I am a results orientated guy. Cui Bono and do no harm. To much of the former and ot enough of the latter is being considered.

I will say it again; no one anywhere as done as much regards re-dress, no one. In past times, when a slave was manumitted they were cast adrift to undertake their owe lives. In cosmopolitan areas and they some of them made good, some of them didn't, that’s life. NO one undertook the prgms, enacted laws in sich a sweeping attempt at re-dress. It in my humble opinion has gone so far that it has now turned back on its self and has actually hurt those it was intended to help. Human beings don’t change, lack of responsibility, over abundance of guilt to the point of silence and lack of application of common sense by the “guilty” and kindness and help which is usually mistaken as ignorance has worked its magic.
The message we sent and yes I have said this before was; whites are guilty, we must atone even to the point of ignoring abuse of the mechanisms very re-dress enacted and abuse of the themselves as a class.

Every ten years or so theres another bill, another act, another platform intended to make the same point all over again, someone’s gotta pay and someone’s guilty, imho, this just helps inculcate the next generation with the same harmful grievance complex and adds to the guilt burden all over again.
In short, stasis. Have we not had enough of this?

__________________
No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

Let's hope so....however I have a distinct feeling this only increases the already damning level of entitlement some blacks feel.

I'm not so concerned about that possibility as I am about the possibility of other groups demanding the same type of apology resolution and the same type of time will be spent for them, too. Where does it stop? And if this becomes a standard role for Congress, we will be getting more of a ripoff than now.

What's to keep women from demanding this? Certainly Congress will pay attention to them - more than 50% of the voters? You betcha. (I wouldn't support it in the least. I don't need an apology as much as other things like lending reform, addressing the economy, oil, etc.)

__________________
I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

(2) apologizes to African-Americans on behalf of the people of the United States, for the wrongs committed against them and their ancestors who suffered under slavery and Jim Crow;
[/quote]

I don't need anyone to apologize on my behalf thank you.

(3) expresses its commitment to rectify the lingering consequences of the misdeeds committed against African-Americans under slavery and Jim Crow and to stop the occurrence of human rights violations in the future.

bingo, lets get to rectifying...wtf have we been doing for 43 years? Or 140 or?

The “lingering consequences” have now become a self perpetuating awfulness they at this point inflict on themselves, in almost all cases.

what I find interesting here is not one person has made a case and have made great advances....hummmm..or made the case that we are overdoing it, they are making their way and don’t want to be patronized anymore and want to fulfill their own destinies absent handouts........

__________________
No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

I agree. I don't want anyone being presumptous enough to apologize for me. I did nothing to warrant it. I disagree wholeheartedly with those specific words. They can apologize on behalf of the government, that's OK, but they didn't.

I also was a bit concerned about the reference to rectifying this. That is a concern especially with the reparation movement.

And finally, I also find it distasteful that none of the positive growth was mentioned at all.

But, it's done. The door was opened a while ago and now it's too easy to go through it. That die is cast.

Still, I'm more concerned with this becoming a trend with other groups, too.

__________________
I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

I don't think the fear of another doing wrong should make anyone fear doing right.

The measure does not just cover slavery--it covers its bastard child sequel Jim Crow--Toilet Bowl II, The Overflow--on racial oppression. That lasted right through the 1960s. Lots of living people suffered and were set back by that. It wasn't just blacks but also Hispanics, Native Americans, Asians, Polynesians and even whites who didn't want to adhere to those laws, especially on interracial and interethnic dating and marriage. If anything the resolution should have been broader to include all the affected peoples. In places like VA they even practiced white supremacist eugenic sterilisations until the end of Jim Crow.

Again, people are still alive who toiled under these things so it isn't ancient history but fairly recent enough that many of out senior citizens and baby boomers lived under them detrimentally. I just can't see a good argument anymore for the federal and state governments involved in that centuries long ongoing injustice to not acknowledge the wrong they did and apologise for it. The still living victims of that at least deserve that much IMO.

As for reparations arguments, that's a different subject and can and should be addressed as a different subject.

yes me too; in the fight to foist tolerance of diversity and understanding they are balkanizing us...fantastic....

__________________
No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

Actually, that would be this same topic; part two.

__________________
"Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves." ~ Lord Byron

So will there be apologies for the misogynistic laws in the US, or does misogyny not count? After all, the laws still affect the current culture towards women, and an apology is years overdue. So when is any organisation going to apologise to women as a whole? Yes, that's bullshit by normal standards, but by your reasoning it's fine.

The only apology that could ever be due is to the people who were enslaved, by the people who did the enslaving.

the elephant has trampled the furniture left the house as in now a leviathan...give me a break. If, you are serious as to;"A start, at the very least", I will have to conclude that any cogent discussion along these lines would be a waste of time….am I wrong?

__________________
No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

That may have been hyperbole, on my part.
Really, an apology, in my eyes, would be a fair start...the end being a "fair playing field", rendering affirmative action "a moot point".
I, personally, am not interested in reparations, as a dollar figure could hardly be placed on cruelty, injustice, hardship, and indignation.
A willingness to set things "aright", would be the only thing hoped for.
But first you got to call a spade, "a spade".

__________________
Conservatives' Bane

Your assertion might be true, if the effects of slavery, as an institution, were still not being felt. Did someone wave a magical wand, rendering everything "Irish Spring " clean? One only need look to the disparity between whites and blacks, no more made manifest than by Barack Obama's candidacy.
Corporations and institutions directly and indirectly benefited from slavery.
White privilege exists.
40 acres and a mule were promised, but rarely was it ever executed.
An apology. You'd think it was a gold bar, hardly to be freely given away. Lord have mercy.

__________________
Conservatives' Bane

Really. And where do you suppose those feelings and behaviors stemmed from?
Something inherent in the race? Or, more likely from the dehumanization and objectification brought about by slavery. Families were routinely broken up, and children and parents separated....who knows the damage inflicted on the psyches of the victims? How do you think you'd feel? What would you do? What could you do?

So very easy to pass judgment, and to point to the "after effects", which are institutionally perpetuated, and, in fact, "encouraged". Have you no shame?
Evidently not.

__________________
Conservatives' Bane

Not to mention the fact that no one alive today deserves a fucking dime, because they weren't slaves...

Where are things not right?

We would, but then panty-waist libs would start whining about that being "racist"...

__________________
Obama's New "57 State Patriotic Pin":




Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

Excellent point. "Who knows?"

The pertinent fact, and one which you'll dodge, is that nobody knows how they felt, because anyone who was a slave is fucking dead.

Wrap your head around that and talk about something that matters. You'll appear a lot more interesting...

__________________
Obama's New "57 State Patriotic Pin":




Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"