doesn't seem to bother the critters

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Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

“What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?”

“One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

“The other kills her own food.”

"We don't even know what they are yet. You can hardly consider oil obsolete." -Josh Logic


So, wind, solar, and hydrogen are just myths right? How about instead of trying to stick with oil, we spend money researching these alternate sources. Add more hydrogen fueled buses and cars. Use wind power to provide energy for homes and other things like that.

Drilling in ANWR will have little effect. First of all, it would be quite a while until we will be able to utilize the fossil fuels there. Secondly, the amount of fuel there, would not be able to provide the nation for very long.

Our main weakness right now, is that we are dependent upon the people who hate us for our energy needs.
If we were to invest in researching for wind, solar, hydrogen, etc then we would actually be making some progress.

Of course, oil companies and their lobboyists will stop at no means to prevent this.

When it all comes down to it, lobbying is what comes to the root of most of our problems.

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hydrogen would be great if we had a cheap way to produce it, we don't nor do we have any ideas on how to try. Nuclear power would make the electricity relatively efficiently but thats being blocked at all turns as well.

wind doesn't work nationwide, actually its only effective in a relatively few places but I'd be for pursuing it but its already being done.

solar will never be all that useful without an far better means of tapping it.

saw a story about using ocean currents and perhaps tides, thats maybe worth looking into.

but we're going to be using oil and natural gas for a while, it would be better to use our own than somebody else's.

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Hope is the opposite of audacity. It's passive, an excuse for inaction.

Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

“What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?”

“One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

“The other kills her own food.”

Research,, yes research and more research and when that round is done go and do some more research and then some more all funded by the Feds ... sounds really great.

Research = More Gov Funding.

The information is there, just do it.
simple......

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You do realize EVERY human, plant, ptotzoa, and animal EVER born, has done exactly this? You change your environment every time you breathe. Are you going to off yourself to live up to your self righteous ideals? Hell, even doing that will have a major impact on the environment, and upset the "natural" order of things.

I think that you finally have started to see the light and the trueth of the Environmental movment as it is known today.......REMOVE THE HUMAN RACE FROM THE PLANET, is the only way to save the planet.

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So, what about the other 60 million acres of leases Big Oil holds in the lower 48 and aren't drilling on. What's up with that? They dry or something?

Btw, in the last quarter Exxon reported earnings of $1350.

Per second.

And one wonders why they want ANWR?

Give it rest will ya.'

What does Pelosi care, with the leader of the House pay of 220,000 per year and all the rest of the benefits of the office she is not paying for energy...
Despite the pressure, Pelosi stays firm: No vote on offshore oil drilling

It is nice to know that there is some one that is looking out for me and my lack of schooling , making sure that I do not make the mistakes that I might other wise make with out her and others like her.

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Not my job to educate you. Your going to have to do your own footwork and research the facts.

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And why do you think our grandchildren would want to visit this?

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They are not myth. But, they can't come close to providing the energy we need. I'm not saying we shouldn't continue to use these sources and attempt to find ways to make them more practical. I'm not saying we shouldn't be looking for yet unknown sources. What I'm saying is our economy relies on fossil fuel now and will for quite some time. Even if we were to find some way to make one of the sources you mentioned (wind, solar) for production of electricity we would still require fossil fuel for transportation and production of goods. Right now, those alternative sources work only as a supplement to sources fueled by fossil fuel. Hydrogen is promising, but, as yet still way too expensive and the technology still does not exist to make it a feasible alternative. It will happen. But, I don't believe these will be the sources. But, we need relief now. Our entire economy depends on it.

The estimates for the reserves in ANWR are a minimum of 30 years supply for our needs. OCS reserves are as promising. Shale is still more. Although, it is unlikely the reserves would not go to world market. But, that would have a serious effect on supply, thus, reducing the price. Because the price is driven by speculation, it would have an immediate effect. The prices are going to drop when the announcement is made we are going to drill. Not wait until the product actually hits the market. Utilizing these reserves will give us time to develop new technology and build the infra structure needed.

I work as a natural gas technician. I install heating systems, etc. I've worked with systems that incorporate solar and geothermal technology. They work, but, still rely on fuel energy. We just don't have the technology to replace fossil fuel... yet.

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Use wind power to provide energy for homes and other things like that.

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There is no effective and efficient way of storing wind energy yet. It's not yet a viable option.

And Pelosi closed the house with out a vote on off shore drilling, now while off shore drilling may or may not be good, to close the house with out a vote is just wrong... but you will not hear about it in the news.

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we have had a lengthy discussion here on leased land they are not drilling , you can find it by using the search feature.


item: the caribou herds in the vicinity of Prudhomme have grown in size, in fact they calve next to the relative warmth of the pipelines etc.

item: gas is selling like, well gas, supply demand and humonguous quantities are being sold, if they sold more at lower prices it would balance out.

item: dollar inflation, I heard it was $1500.00 a minute, and so what?

item: they make an approx. profit of 7-9% per gallon of gas, hardly a soaking, don't lt the size of the dollar amounts fol you, its all relative.

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So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

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And so it conitunes, the news black out even here. NO one is talking about the fact that Pelosi closed the house and did not have a vote up or down on the drilling, truely she does not give a frak about what we have to deal with each and every day, nore does she wish for the DNC to be on record before the Election on how they stand on this.
Take back the Government.
write this lady and get the vote yes or no.

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