Senate GOP plans attack on Obama health care bill | Comcast.net

NONE of which are true.
Or wait, no, maybe they are true. Hell They don't even know what the plan IS yet Yep, non-ideological concern for the country at its best, no partisanship here.

You'd thiink they'd at least wait until they knew what they were lying ABOUT but what the hell, they're Republicans, so it's always a lie anyway I guess.

ALL this will do will be to deny care to people who really need it for another few months, making them look even more like the heartless assholes they actually are.

"Ten thousand poor children die for each week of Needless Republican Delay" "Republican Babykillers Continue Senseless Rampage of Death in DC"

Come ON 2010. What will they run on then I wonder?

"Vote for us, lose your new Health Care" or "Vote for us, lose your new Job,"

I wonder, will they even HAVE a Convention in 2012, to nominate Palin and Jindal maybe?

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Alizee Jacotay, the reason god invented hips

Just like with the Budget; if they don't produce their own viable alternative to reform health care, they are going to get laughed off the stage.

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With the reconciliation vote from last week, it will take only 51 votes to run whatever bill they write through the senate (probably overnight with the vast majority of legislators never having read it). The OP's trademark partisan blather notwithstanding, it doesn't matter a whit what the GOP does.

The idea that the GOP is "delaying" this - as the OP claims - is just foolish.

We need to get beyond this partisan bullshit and look at issues, rather than just freaking out and foaming at the mouth over idiotic partisan points.

But then again, if we're not bogged down in team spirit exercises, we'll be looking at what Congress actually does (and the piss-poor way they do it). Hence the effort by politicians on both sides of the aisle to keep the focus on partisan bullshit, rather than the ineptitude of the legislature as a whole.

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The plan put forward by the Democrats will deny people treatments they need and make them wait to get the treatments they are allowed to receive."
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well lets see, EU health care , check, canadien check, common sense supply and demand quotient, check.....soooo what am I missing? They are dead on.

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

Well, it is what Frank Luntz does; he's a political propagandist and advisor. He cans and spreads spin and lies along with anything true so long as he believes that enough of the public will buy into it for the benefit of his client and member party, the GOP. Propaganda isn't concerned with the truth--just getting people to think whatever is necessary to win is.

Luntz doesn't even have to be that creative and can pull out shelves of the old bumpersticker scare tactics given health care is a very popular area for politically partisan lies and spin, going both ways too. For example, seeing Matt posting above, I recall him correctly pointing out some effective Obama spin in Florida during the last election that was intended to leave existing seniors to believe that McCain was going to severely slash their Medicare and services. There was some background truths in the claim but the main presentation was exaggerated as well as twisted to leave a false impression that current seniors would be effected and effected severely. I'm certain that it worked in making some of them believe it and given Florida has a huge number of senior citizens and it is a key swing state, it likely contributed to paying off in the state's electoral votes. I'm sure he got some other votes in other states too with his spins on the subject.

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I think that's a great point. Health care reform has a history....and in that history, the Democrats got shot down.

Both sides are drawing lessons from those experiences........so surely the Democrats are going to approach it differently and since the Republicans got what they wanted last time, why would they try anything different?

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Well, the Democrats shot themselves down the last time.

Hillarycare couldn't even get out of committee when the Dems controlled both houses and the White House.

Not really fair to say they "got shot down", as that implies an external force. They killed it themselves.

Matt

Y'know you're right.

This is a good thing, were they to actually try to do something useful with their time, like to start writing a counter to the Dem plan, they might ACTUALLY delay it.

As it is, they're just going to make themselves look bad, and hasten that happy day when we'll see NO Republicans in Congress in this country

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Alizee Jacotay, the reason god invented hips

Let's review again. Under the "reconciliation" rule invoked last week, the Dems only need 51 votes to pass it.

So how, exactly, is the GOP going to "delay" this?

Now, another question for you - where's the money coming from? The next budget already borrows more than the GDP of Canada. Where are we going to get the money for a massive new spending program?

Matt

Dude. Get a clue. Obama wants to pattern his health care plan after socialized medicine in Canada and the UK. That is why they already know what Obama is trying to do.

What's even worse Obama doesn't have a plan yet, right? Then what's all of the billions of dollars for then? What they fear is Obama is going to tie up billions of needed funds on a pipe-dream program that will never materialize. All it will be is a slogan with no real purpose to it like everything else the prick has done in his political career. What it could amount to is forcing taxpayers into paying billions for a warm fuzzy feeling.

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Their alternative is already in operation. The health care system we have is already one of the best in the world.

What in the hell do you think they support?

What the GOP supports is the current health care system. Changing it isn't going to make it any better.

Everyone who needs health care can already get it contrary to what the Dems claim.

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True, when people started looking at the numbers common-sense kicked in.

Now the numbers don't matter because this is a crisis. We have to freaken sell the farm to deal with this crisis.

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The GOP approach to "Healthcare reform" should be tort reform. That's it. The government has no place in "reforming" or providing healthcare. Then again, I didn't think the government would ever run banks or our auto industry...

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