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Old 07-20-2009
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Re: States Tell Fed to Cease & Desist

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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Since our elected representatives to federal government have no judicial oversight on what they write on blank pieces of paper, issues of reserved rights and federal authority have to be resolved by the judicature of the United States.

In principle, any state can nullify federal authority if powers are not expressly delegated by our federal Constitution; and, should be assumed reserved to the States. It could be considered a States' right.
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Old 07-20-2009
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Re: States Tell Fed to Cease & Desist

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Since our elected representatives to federal government have no judicial oversight on what they write on blank pieces of paper, issues of reserved rights and federal authority have to be resolved by the judicature of the United States.

In principle, any state can nullify federal authority if powers are not expressly delegated by our federal Constitution; and, should be assumed reserved to the States. It could be considered a States' right.
Agreed.

The Federal government is not liking that it would seem.
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Old 07-20-2009
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Re: States Tell Fed to Cease & Desist

Ending the Drug War would be more cost effective. It could generate revenue that can defray public sector costs and lower our tax burden.
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Old 07-20-2009
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Re: States Tell Fed to Cease & Desist

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Ending the Drug War would be more cost effective. It could generate revenue that can defray public sector costs and lower our tax burden.
How many government jobs would be destroyed by that?

How would you replace them?
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Old 07-20-2009
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Re: States Tell Fed to Cease & Desist

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I'm not up on all the tax structures between the States and the Fed. I did hear on the news today that twice as much stimulus money is going to counties that voted for Obama than for McCain.

But check this out. From The Battle Begins: ATF vs the Constitution|Tenth Amendment Center



And so it begins. This will more than likely end up in the Federal Supreme Court, who being federal itself, might see need to protect its own.
Pretty much what you expected the Fed to say. The real test is when they try to enforce their opinion. Hopefully Tennessee will defend their soverignty.
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Old 07-20-2009
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Re: States Tell Fed to Cease & Desist

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How many government jobs would be destroyed by that?

How would you replace them?
A goal would be to have zero percent official unemployment as a statist form of full employment of resources.

Since legalizing recreational drugs would generate revenue, it could defray the cost of the public sector. There is no reason why anyone would not be able to apply for unemployment compensation, at-will. As a form of eliminating official poverty through recourse to an income, simulating zero percent unemployment would ensure better employment of resources in the market for labor. Many public sector employees could be transferred to where they are needed most. The rest could simply opt to be couch potatoes for a while to get over their trauma of having been forced by life to provide labor input in a more developed, first world economy (in an manner similar to any thirdworlder in a less well developed economy). After that, they could go to school, learn a vocation, the arts, or pursue Happiness as stated in our glorious and patriotic, and supreme code law of the land and social contract.

Since the goal of such a public policy is full employment of resources with zero percent official poverty, would it really matter what any given potential labor market participant does, if they are not in official poverty? This can be considered a cure for bleeding heart liberalism. As a moral and ethic, we can stop when no individual market participant can claim official poverty in our political-economy. And, it conforms to our Ninth Amendment.

As an opportunity cost, it can provide a measure of fiscal responsibility since less money will be available for public policies that deny and disparage individual liberty.

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Re: States Tell Fed to Cease & Desist

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A goal would be to have zero percent official unemployment as a statist form of full employment of resources.

Since legalizing recreational drugs would generate revenue, it could defray the cost of the public sector. There is no reason why anyone would not be able to apply for unemployment compensation, at-will. As a form of eliminating official poverty through recourse to an income, simulating zero percent unemployment would ensure better employment of resources in the market for labor. Many public sector employees could be transferred to where they are needed most. The rest could simply opt to be couch potatoes for a while to get over their trauma of having been forced by life to provide labor input in a more developed, first world economy (in an manner similar to any thirdworlder in a less well developed economy). After that, they could go to "school, learn a vocation, the arts, or pursue Happiness as stated in our glorious and patriotic, and supreme code law of the land and social contract." LOL!!!!

Since the goal of such a public policy is full employment of resources with zero percent official poverty, would it really matter what any given potential labor market participant does, if they are not in "official poverty"? This can be considered a cure for bleeding heart liberalism. As a moral and ethic, we can stop when no individual market participant can claim official poverty in our political-economy. And, it conforms to our Ninth Amendment.

As an opportunity cost, it can provide a measure of fiscal responsibility since less money will be available for public policies that deny and disparage individual liberty.
In other words... you would have them manufacturing and selling drugs, or they would be welfare cases...draining the stoned, employed taxpayers.

Simply brilliant!

You sure made economic self destruction sound appealing, and sold it with all that clever jargon.

If you are not already...I suggest a career in politics.

It would have worked on 98% of the population too.
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Re: States Tell Fed to Cease & Desist

How did you reach your red herring conclusion from what I wrote?

If drugs are legalized, they will be well regulated and taxed, like it says in our Constitution.

Unemployment compensation, at-will, complies with at-will employment doctrine and state at-will employment laws. People who prefer to do drugs would not feel compelled to obtain employment through less moral and less ethical means. The general welfare.
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How did you reach your red herring conclusion from what I wrote?

Lets just say I have been in politics too long.

If drugs are legalized, they will be well regulated and taxed, like it says in our Constitution. Perhaps. So if you can't beat'em join'em huh? Government selling drugs for money? Do you mind your daughter shooting herion?

Unemployment compensation, at-will, complies with at-will employment doctrine and state at-will employment laws. People who prefer to do drugs would not feel compelled to obtain employment through less moral and less ethical means. The general welfare.
Are we going to get the money to this from? Selling drugs to our people?

Are you forgetting MOST drugs do serious damage to the users of them?
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Re: States Tell Fed to Cease & Desist

The money will come from regulating Commerce well, like it says in our Constitution.

Drugs are already being sold to people, so your argument is irrelevant.

Drugs in and of themselves, do less harm when they are well regulated than when we have a War on them.
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Old 07-23-2009
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The cost would be covered by abolishing the DEA for starters. Far too much money is wasted on enforcement and corruption.

Taxation on Pot would yield a hefty bounty much the way that taxation on alcohol does. This, coupled with comprehensive education regarding the effects of drugs are a much better approach.

Fact: every person in the U.S. that wants to do drugs, is in fact, currently doing them. So enforcement has done nothing but cost money with no meaningful impact of determent.

While it may be true that by making something legal that was formerly illegal, can spur a spike in use. However,Proper education could result in mitigating these fluctuations.

The war on drugs was so poorly implemented it was rendered impotent. Pot should have never been included as one of the drugs in the war. Why? Because as almost every 7Th grader has already discovered, Pot is innocuous. It is very difficult to retain credibility with someone who has already discovered you don't know what you are talking about. So, if they know you were wrong about pot, perhaps you are wrong about other drugs.

Now, the other argument is that pot is a gate-way drug.... So is air, or pizza or chewing gum. The fact is that addicts are addicts because they are addicts, not because one product forced them to another product.
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Old 07-23-2009
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Re: States Tell Fed to Cease & Desist

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Since our elected representatives to federal government have no judicial oversight on what they write on blank pieces of paper, issues of reserved rights and federal authority have to be resolved by the judicature of the United States.

In principle, any state can nullify federal authority if powers are not expressly delegated by our federal Constitution; and, should be assumed reserved to the States. It could be considered a States' right.
did you mean judiciary?

no they can't. only the SC can declare something beyond the scope of the constitution. until then you just have to grin and bear it
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Old 07-23-2009
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Re: States Tell Fed to Cease & Desist

It is specifically enumerated in our supreme code law of the land.

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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to
the people.
In principle, any state can nullify federal authority if those powers are not expressly delegated by our federal Constitution; and, should be assumed reserved to the States. It could be considered a States' right.
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Old 07-23-2009
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Re: States Tell Fed to Cease & Desist

You are welcome to your opinion and subscription to the republican doctrine.
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Old 07-24-2009
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Re: States Tell Fed to Cease & Desist

Thank you. But, it is the federalist doctrine I am subscribing to.
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