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Old 09-23-2009
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Economic Nightmare...yet Barney Frank finds the time to...

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Mr ******, Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) has introduced a bill (H.R.3017) that would prohibit employment discrimination on the basis of actual or perceived sexual orientation or gender identity. The Employment Non-Discrimination Act includes protections for gays and transgender people in the workplace and would prohibit discrimination -- including decisions about hiring, firing and wages -- based on sexual orientation or gender identity. The bill, which has over 150 cosponsors, states that it would exempt religious organizations, the military and businesses with less than 15 workers.

Those in favor of the bill say that gays and transgender people deserve the same rights as heterosexuals and that if Americans had the opportunity to interact with gays and transgender people in the work place, they would not categorize them. Rep. Frank says, "Prejudice is literally ignorance."

Opponents fear that the bill will expose churches and those in the ministry to expensive lawsuits if they speak out against gays or transgender people, or their lifestyles. Those against it also say the measure would increase costs for businesses and that employers would be forced to consult legal counsel in order to train human resource staffs to understand and comply with what they say are confusing new employment discrimination categories.
What he is getting to should be obvious. To make gays and lesbians an official minority, and gain access to the plethora of benefits extended to minorities.
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Old 09-23-2009
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Re: Economic Nightmare...yet Barney Frank finds the time to...

I'm the farthest thing from racist/sexist/homophobic/whatthefuckever, but I have a huge problem with the government infringing upon the rights of business owners in the name of protecting peoples rights.
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I'm the farthest thing from racist/sexist/homophobic/whatthefuckever, but I have a huge problem with the government infringing upon the rights of business owners in the name of protecting peoples rights.
Exactly. It makes no sense to pass this bullshit. If they really wanted to make discrimination illegal, they would just pass a law prohibiting discrimination based on anything except for qualities directly relating to the job. What they're doing is like trying to ban murder and then passing individual laws: banning murder for hire, murder for insurance money, murder due to anger, murder for fun, etc... Just ban it, for fuck's sake.

Of course, what they really want to do is pander to minorities. They will accomplish much less by passing a single law to ban discrimination based on race than if they pass a law banning discrimination for non-job related in general, but the minorities will love them more for the passing of the former, less effective law. It makes them feel like the government is looking out for them.

I wonder what would happen if those politicians were required to marry off their daughters via Affirmative Action. That is, a percentage of them would have to marry a minority. If they feel it's okay to infringe on business property (which is just as private as any other property), why not infringe on their families? I'm guessing they would find it more revolting than all business owners combined.
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Old 09-24-2009
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I'm the farthest thing from racist/sexist/homophobic/whatthefuckever, but I have a huge problem with the government infringing upon the rights of business owners in the name of protecting peoples rights.
Yeh,sure you're not homophobic, right, keep telling yourself that, maybe you'll believe it someday, though noone else ever will.

What gives you the right to violate someone's rights just because you own a business?

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Exactly. It makes no sense to pass this bullshit. If they really wanted to make discrimination illegal, they would just pass a law prohibiting discrimination based on anything except for qualities directly relating to the job. What they're doing is like trying to ban murder and then passing individual laws: banning murder for hire, murder for insurance money, murder due to anger, murder for fun, etc... Just ban it, for fuck's sake.

Of course, what they really want to do is pander to minorities. They will accomplish much less by passing a single law to ban discrimination based on race than if they pass a law banning discrimination for non-job related in general, but the minorities will love them more for the passing of the former, less effective law. It makes them feel like the government is looking out for them.

I wonder what would happen if those politicians were required to marry off their daughters via Affirmative Action. That is, a percentage of them would have to marry a minority. If they feel it's okay to infringe on business property (which is just as private as any other property), why not infringe on their families? I'm guessing they would find it more revolting than all business owners combined.
Jesus, now marriage is a PROPERTY relationship?? Talk about returning to another century, not the 19th, the 9th.

Your proposed law is comically over broad. What, after all, is not related to the job in some way? Of course that's what you want, a return to discrimination against anybody for whatever reason.
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Re: Economic Nightmare...yet Barney Frank finds the time to...

It is an asinine bill that is nothing more than a way to open the gate to make homosexuals official minorities.
"Perceived sexual preference"...now just how in the hell would they enforce this? Someone sues someone, and the judge is supposed to determine whether the employer THOUGHT he/she was homosexual???
We do not need yet another minority status for Gods sake.
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It is an asinine bill that is nothing more than a way to open the gate to make homosexuals official minorities.
"Perceived sexual preference"...now just how in the hell would they enforce this? Someone sues someone, and the judge is supposed to determine whether the employer THOUGHT he/she was homosexual???
We do not need yet another minority status for Gods sake.



I thought that was a curious distinction myself. What does it mean ? Thats th point, its a shotgun blast that opens up anything at all to question.
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"The Employment Non-Discrimination Act includes protections for gays and transgender people in the workplace and would prohibit discrimination -- including decisions about hiring, firing and wages -- based on sexual orientation or gender identity."

That includes everyone. I have a gender identity and a sexual orientation. Sounds like a great lawsuit generating law.
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Re: Economic Nightmare...yet Barney Frank finds the time to...

They can pass whatever theey want, there will be no gays or lesbians (knowingly) hired here.
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"The Employment Non-Discrimination Act includes protections for gays and transgender people in the workplace and would prohibit discrimination -- including decisions about hiring, firing and wages -- based on sexual orientation or gender identity."

That includes everyone. I have a gender identity and a sexual orientation. Sounds like a great lawsuit generating law.


so homosexual bars would have to hire heterosexual staff ?
companies would have to hire "majority" diversity people ?

this could be interesting...
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Yeh,sure you're not homophobic, right, keep telling yourself that, maybe you'll believe it someday, though noone else ever will.
Let me rephrase: A prejudice remark from a prejudice person, not worth getting upset over.

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What gives you the right to violate someone's rights just because you own a business?
Uhm, when did it become ANYONES right to use my property? And yes, my business is my property, I own it, not you, not anyone, no one as a right to a job, or a right to be served by a private citizen.
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What he is getting to should be obvious. To make gays and lesbians an official minority, and gain access to the plethora of benefits extended to minorities.
A quick re-think......

If this thing passes it could provide many people with opportunities that they other wise could not cash in on. For example, A minority registered government contractor gets preferrential treatment when contracts are awarded. They also have access to other benefits like low interest loans, training, business start up capital, etc.

The point I'm making is that I can't pull off telling the govt I'm black, hispanic, native American, etc..............but I can damn sure tell 'em I'm gay.........and my wife's a lesbian.
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A quick re-think......

If this thing passes it could provide many people with opportunities that they other wise could not cash in on. For example, A minority registered government contractor gets preferrential treatment when contracts are awarded. They also have access to other benefits like low interest loans, training, business start up capital, etc.

The point I'm making is that I can't pull off telling the govt I'm black, hispanic, native American, etc..............but I can damn sure tell 'em I'm gay.........and my wife's a lesbian.


you only need the appearence of it.
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Gay people shouldn't have protection when they are discriminated against because of their sexuality?
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What he is getting to should be obvious. To make gays and lesbians an official minority, and gain access to the plethora of benefits extended to minorities.

Much easier to say you're gay on an application to improve your chances.
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Gay people shouldn't have protection when they are discriminated against because of their sexuality?

Nobody is discriminated against. Not when it comes to making money.
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