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Old 10-14-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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Originally Posted by Dusky View Post
The best thing to do is to SCRAP THE POLITICIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the truth. The Constitution is not the problem. If followed correctly it produces the most free government ever devised. The problem is politicians deciding that they don't want to follow it. Every time a politician decides to disregard the Constitution, we the people end up taking it in the butt.
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1. Men are endowed by God with inalienable rights.
2. Government's purpose is to secure man's God-given rights.
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Old 10-14-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

Why do those same politicians keep getting re-elected, if everyone is allegedly for fiscal responsibility?

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The only sure bulwark of continuing liberty is a government strong enough to protect the interests of the people, and a people strong enough and well enough informed to maintain its sovereign control over its government.
- Franklin D. Roosevelt, 32nd US President
I also think the concept of executive privilege should be reexamined. Our elected representatives to government are in positions of public trust. It is called the public sector for a reason. Except in those Cases specifically enumerated concerning the domestic tranquility, invasion or rebellion; there should be no need for executive privilege in any office of public trust of the United States and that privilege and immunity is protected under the First Amendment.

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Old 10-14-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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Why do those same politicians keep getting re-elected, if everyone is allegedly for fiscal responsibility?

Because too many people don't know what that means or how to go about it. They see adds on tv and vote based on one liners.
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Old 10-14-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

A lack of a well informed electorate can be considered a form of poverty in our form of federal statism.
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Old 10-14-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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Does anyone actually disagree that the current UN is analogous to the US under the Articles of Confederation?
its not that anyone disagrees, its just that no one gives a fuck dan.

not many people want the un telling us what to do like our federal government tells the states what to do. nor do we feel like being compelled to support other countries, or participate in binding government with those whose ideals we do not care for. It is the general will of the US to remain autonomous.
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Old 10-14-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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A lack of a well informed electorate can be considered a form of poverty in our form of federal statism.

I would go as far to say it's the greatest form of poverty.
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Old 10-14-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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its not that anyone disagrees, its just that no one gives a fuck dan.

not many people want the un telling us what to do like our federal government tells the states what to do. nor do we feel like being compelled to support other countries, or participate in binding government with those whose ideals we do not care for. It is the general will of the US to remain autonomous.

Agreed
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Old 10-14-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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its not that anyone disagrees, its just that no one gives a fuck dan.

not many people want the un telling us what to do like our federal government tells the states what to do. nor do we feel like being compelled to support other countries, or participate in binding government with those whose ideals we do not care for. It is the general will of the US to remain autonomous.
It depends on your view of States' rights. The US has been continually setting precedent concerning the nullification of UN authority, which could be used by the several States of our own Union concerning federal authority.
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Old 10-14-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

First off its called having a life why I havent been back. Plus I am really wondering why I come here with such hateful people that want to see the poor and underprivelideged kill or ensalved by the corporate masters.

And secondly The constitution only serves the elites of this country. It does not recognize as many rights as the UDHR does. I mean have any of you actually even read the UDHR? It recognizes a lot more rights than the constitution does or ever will if the inflexible constitution people get their way.


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Article 1.
•All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
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Article 2.
•Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
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Article 3.
•Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
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Article 4.
•No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
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Article 5.
•No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
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Article 6.
•Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.
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Article 7.
•All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
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Article 8.
•Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.
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Article 9.
•No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
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Article 10.
•Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
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Article 11.
•(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
•(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.
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Article 12.
•No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
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Article 13.
•(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
•(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
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Article 14.
•(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
•(2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
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Article 15.
•(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
•(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.
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Article 16.
•(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
•(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
•(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.
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Article 17.
•(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
•(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
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Article 18.
•Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
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Article 19.
•Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
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Article 20.
•(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
•(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
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Article 21.
•(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
•(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
•(3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.
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Article 22.
•Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.
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Article 23.
•(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
•(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
•(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
•(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
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Article 24.
•Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.
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Article 25.
•(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
•(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
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Article 26.
•(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
•(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
•(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.
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Article 27.
•(1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
•(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.
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Article 28.
•Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.
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Article 29.
•(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
•(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
•(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
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Article 30.
•Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.
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Old 10-14-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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And secondly The constitution only serves the elites of this country. It does not recognize as many rights as the UDHR does. I mean have any of you actually even read the UDHR? It recognizes a lot more rights than the constitution does or ever will if the inflexible constitution people get their way.

Bull. Shit.

The UDHR, as I mentioned before, is an EXPLICIT list of rights. Meaning if it ain't on the list, you don't have a right to do it.

The Constitution and Bill of Rights are an IMPLICIT list of rights. Meaning if it ain't restricted in the documents, or the documents haven't empowered someone to restrict it, you can do it. If you don't believe me on this one, then read the Ninth Amendment to the Constitution reeeeeaaaaaal carefully, and come back.

Explain to me how thirty is greater than infinity minus this, that and the other thing, and I'll concede the point.
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Re: Scrap the constitution

I think a more perfect Union of States could be modeled after our own US Constitution, up to the Bill of Rights. Our Constitution is object oriented and easily incorporates the concept of States' rights. The US could be simply another State in our modern and global economy known as Earth.
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Re: Scrap the constitution

Just how many rights do you think you have? there are not infinite numbers of rights. The UDHR lists pretty much all the rights humans have or should expect.

And it is written in much clearer and more explicitly definitive language than the bill of rights which have been argued about what they mean since before the ink was even dry. If you cannot understand the UDHR then maybe you should reconsider what it means to be a human.
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Re: Scrap the constitution

These, along with our Constitution pretty much cover every scenario.

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Amendment 1
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or
of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition
the Government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment 2
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the
right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment 3
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the
consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by
law.

Amendment 4
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and
no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or
affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the
persons or things to be seized.

Amendment 5
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime,
unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising
in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time
of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense
to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any
criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life,
liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be
taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment 6
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and
public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime
shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously
ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the
accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory
process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of
Counsel for his defence.

Amendment 7
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty
dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a
jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than
according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment 8
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel
and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment 9
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed
to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment 10
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to
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Old 10-15-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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It depends on your view of States' rights. The US has been continually setting precedent concerning the nullification of UN authority, which could be used by the several States of our own Union concerning federal authority.
Except what we do as a nation participating in the farce that is "world government" is in no way legally analogous to US state vs federal authority. The US isn't a state of the UN. Its a member in a club. A shitty club. That can't ever get anything done.
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Old 10-15-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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I think a more perfect Union of States could be modeled after our own US Constitution, up to the Bill of Rights. Our Constitution is object oriented and easily incorporates the concept of States' rights. The US could be simply another State in our modern and global economy known as Earth.
dude what part of americans don't want to have to participate in binding government that in any way resembles the relationship between federal and state governments, don't you understand?
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