Originally Posted by danielpalos

Why would citizenship of a State on this planet not automatically qualify one for citizenship of this planet?



Why wouldn't the same concept apply to our planet?

Originally Posted by Swoop187

What would you say when extremists go ape shit?

You can bet your ass, communist Asia, the Middle East and countries in Africa would object to a "Geo constitution" based on ours.

Its almost as if you actually believe their is something out there that will make everyone happy and violence will cease.

There is no magical solution to stop conflict, especially conflict over ethical and moral ideas.

Originally Posted by danielpalos

I am not sure other States would object to a more perfect union of such States, especially with a Ninth and Tenth Amendment. What would change for those States exercising their Tenth Amendment?

Why would a federal UN need any more authority than that delegated to our own federal government? With better States rights, a federal UN could be ensuring a republican form of government anywhere there is an excessive amount of anarchy while leaving to those States to promote their general welfare as they see fit.

Originally Posted by danielpalos

You may be missing the point object orientation and our Constitution. It works for us, why would it not work in the same manner at a hypothetical, federal UN with that same type of Constitution? Individual liberty and States' rights would still apply. It would be up to those States to promote their own welfare.

In that sense, the US with its states would only be a State among other States. Our US states could enjoy better States' rights with precedent already being established by our US State concerning nullification of UN authority by a State exercising its Tenth Amendment natural right. That precedent already establish would have greater standing in the US and our US states, with a federal UN establishing that more binding precedent.

Originally Posted by danielpalos

How a State promotes and provides for its general welfare is a States' rights issue.

If you only want to quibble, shouldn't it be up to the populace of that State to determine their local form of government as a privilege and immunity arising from the Ninth and Tenth Amendments?

A republic is a republic for the purposes of Statism.

Originally Posted by danielpalos

Why wouldn't it work, if how a State governs itself is a States' right? There is nothing preventing our elected representatives to government in creating any socialist policy they want in DC and other federal properties.

Originally Posted by wiggidy

I wonder what will end first, my life, or this debate between reality and daniel.

Originally Posted by reality

we're having a debate? i thought i was banging my head against the wall?

Originally Posted by Rahmota

That is what we need to do to help prevent this nation falling into thrid world status. The Constitution is a document that no longer reflects the world we live in. It was fine for the time period in which it was written, 200 years ago. But the world ahs moved on those fools who are trying to impose a document that old on the modern world by sayign that the constitution is a firm and unchangeing, unchangeable carved in stone set of rules might as well by using the magna carta or the code of hammurabi. All outdated and useless and no longer applicable to the modern world.

what needs to be done is to scrap the old constitution and either write a new one that reflects the modern world more accurately and appropriately or adopt a set of documents that have already been written that more than adequately describes the requirments of modern civilized nations. That would be a model for the US to reconfigure itself into. A set of rules that all humans could live & thrive under. Well all but the right wing extremist sickos.A set of laws that would help protect every citizen of the united states unlike the current constitution which was just a throw together compromise document that has only been hled together with patchwork jury rigging and compromises. The document i am referring to that is so much superior to the Constitution is:
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

A beutiful document that is more appropriate and more beneficial and more well written than the flawed and outdated US Constitution. Look at this preamble:


So I say burn the Constitution. Throw its ashes away. It was never intended to be the end all and be all of the governing documents. It was never intended to be strictly and unchangingly interpreted anyhow. It was meant to be a fluid and open set of documents. But its time has come and gone. It is a relic of an era that exists no more. There is precedent in the US history of throwing away a failure like the Constitution and starting over with somethign better. That is what this country truely needs to do.