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Old 09-28-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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You said this, did you not? Whatever Swoop said, you said 'we should send all the cons to Texas'.... So, I'm just clarifying positions.

Difference between you and Swoop is that he loves the Constitution - as do I and we will fight for it. You don't get to send anyone anywhere because your side will be the losing side.... and it will be us who decides what happens to the losing side. But, because we are decent Americans, we will not send you to live anywhere - as long as you abide by the Constitution.
Ha! In order to love the Constitution, once should preferably have read it, at least once.

I'm not holding out a lot of hope here for that.
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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That is what we need to do to help prevent this nation falling into thrid world status. The Constitution is a document that no longer reflects the world we live in. It was fine for the time period in which it was written, 200 years ago. But the world ahs moved on those fools who are trying to impose a document that old on the modern world by sayign that the constitution is a firm and unchangeing, unchangeable carved in stone set of rules might as well by using the magna carta or the code of hammurabi. All outdated and useless and no longer applicable to the modern world.

what needs to be done is to scrap the old constitution and either write a new one that reflects the modern world more accurately and appropriately or adopt a set of documents that have already been written that more than adequately describes the requirments of modern civilized nations. That would be a model for the US to reconfigure itself into. A set of rules that all humans could live & thrive under. Well all but the right wing extremist sickos.A set of laws that would help protect every citizen of the united states unlike the current constitution which was just a throw together compromise document that has only been hled together with patchwork jury rigging and compromises. The document i am referring to that is so much superior to the Constitution is:
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

A beutiful document that is more appropriate and more beneficial and more well written than the flawed and outdated US Constitution. Look at this preamble:


So I say burn the Constitution. Throw its ashes away. It was never intended to be the end all and be all of the governing documents. It was never intended to be strictly and unchangingly interpreted anyhow. It was meant to be a fluid and open set of documents. But its time has come and gone. It is a relic of an era that exists no more. There is precedent in the US history of throwing away a failure like the Constitution and starting over with somethign better. That is what this country truely needs to do.
If you don't like the Constitution, I would invite you to get the fuck out of my country...
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Old 09-28-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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If you don't like the Constitution, I would invite you to get the fuck out of my country...
I thought it was 'our' country, you know 'we the people' and all that. But I'm old fashioned like that. The first amendment also protects stupid speech, like the case of someone who doesn't understand how flexible the constitution really is.
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Old 09-28-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

The problem with dividing up the country is that as soon as the libs run out of Barbara Streisand Michael Moore and Sean Penn's money, they will be swimming across the Mississippi to illegally immigrate to the Conservative side. Thankfully, we will have armed border agents not afraid to protect the borders.
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Old 09-28-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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The problem with dividing up the country is that as soon as the libs run out of Barbara Streisand Michael Moore and Sean Penn's money, they will be swimming across the Mississippi to illegally immigrate to the Conservative side. Thankfully, we will have armed border agents not afraid to protect the borders.
Dude, on the conservative side, guys like you will working in factories owned by guys like me. You'll be working sixteen hours a day for just enough in wages to buy bread and water.
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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I thought it was 'our' country, you know 'we the people' and all that. But I'm old fashioned like that. The first amendment also protects stupid speech, like the case of someone who doesn't understand how flexible the constitution really is.
And it also protects mine.

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Dude, on the conservative side, guys like you will working in factories owned by guys like me. You'll be working sixteen hours a day for just enough in wages to buy bread and water.
Just where will you get the capital to build a factory? Without the conservative TAX PAYERS, the left's nanny state will collapse in a few years as soon as the loons in Hollywood realize that they did have it better paying 38% than the 90+% they'll be paying to support all the sponges.
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Old 09-28-2009
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Just where will you get the capital to build a factory? Without the conservative TAX PAYERS, the left's nanny state will collapse in a few years as soon as the loons in Hollywood realize that they did have it better paying 38% than the 90+% they'll be paying to support all the sponges.
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Old 09-28-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

The US Constitution is probably the epitome of all documents ever written on how to run a government. It has been studied and parts of it incorporated into nearly every Constitution on Earth, including those of China and the former Soviet Union. With amendments it remains vibrant, vital and very applicable in the modern world, with all indications being that will continue as long as humanity exists.

The United Nations Declaration of the Rights of Man is among the most admirable mission statements for an International body yet composed, but it is NOT, and was NEVER intended to be a framework for governing. This is largely because the UN is a forum for nations to discuss and work among each other and mainly to prevent war. It is NOT and was NEVER intended to be or become a world government

Since we are signatory to the UN treaty the Rights of Man are in fact part of the US Federal Statutes, they have already been, in other words, incorporated into our Consitution.
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Scary how much of this has already come to pass.
More than half of it has been the Democratic party platform for 40 years.
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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Um yeah there is quite a bit wrong with the constitution. For one thign it doesnt address many of the issues that face modern america. Like what exactly the government is supposed to be able to do to promote the general welfare. About how the constitution doesnt do enough to protect basic human rights. It doesnt do enough to cleanly seperate the church from the state and the state from the church. Two thigns that should never ever be mixed together. Alos The constitution was a compromised changing of the Articles of Confederation. Which truely did give staes rights and powers but was thrown out when the Constitution created a plutocratic republic. Remember at the time of the constitutions signing only white land owning males where allowed to vote or hold political office. So if you want to strictly interpret the constitution all you women are no longer allowed to vote nor anyone renting an apartment or non-whites.


The constitution was a good document for its time but it needs to be revised and updated. Or at the least it needs ot stop being interpreted as an unchanging strict document and as the more fluid and flexible document it is supposed to be.
I notice that you have not been back in over 20 hours to defend what you have posted, you have been letting others back your statements.

The document that you would have taken out is the same one that lets you post here, vote, and nay any other on a long list of things that you are most likely enjoying each and every day here in this country.

Should we be out to burn the Bible? after all it was first done what ? 2 thousand years ago? or what about the Torah? or the Koran ? after all the 3 basic books go back farther than the Constitution of the United States.
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I notice that you have not been back in over 20 hours.
Yeha its called having a real life.

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The document that you would have taken out is the same one that lets you post here, vote, and nay any other on a long list of things that you are most likely enjoying each and every day here in this country.
And the UDHR would do the exact same thing. A more effective and fair document than the current constitution would do the exact same thing.

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Should we be out to burn the Bible? after all it was first done what ? 2 thousand years ago? or what about the Torah? or the Koran ?
No we should not burn them but they must be kept as far away from government as possible by any means necessary. As well as anyone who seriously takes tham as a blueprint for any government at all. Religion has utterly no place in any government. And yes Matt I would kill to protect the seperation of church and state. Keep all relgion out of government by any means necessary, as well as the flipside of that keep all government out of any relgion. And funny you mention the bible I was reading here recently that they have updated the translation of the bible to make it more current and understandable to people.WBIR.com | Knoxville, TN | New NIV Bible in works, will review 'gender-related' language

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Since we are signatory to the UN treaty the Rights of Man are in fact part of the US Federal Statutes, they have already been, in other words, incorporated into our Consitution.
Actually no they havent as most of the basic human rights the UDHR enumerates are opposed or ignored by the US Constitution. And besides which Federal statues are seperate from and derived from the Constitution. As manyn people around here point out the Constitution is the highest law in the land but it is not the only law though and should never be the ONLY law as some people would liek to see happen. As if that became the case then the class protectionism for wealthy white landowners would set human rights , civil rights and fairness and equality on its head.

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would invite you to get the fuck out of my country...
No I will not. I am going to stay and fight to help improve this country. To help save it for my children and grandchildren from the failures of the republicans, capitalism and excessive religion. And Just FYI I am as big a redneck as anyone else around here. I am armed and know how to use them quite well. I am just as dedicated to my beliefs and have just as much right to be here as you do. This is my country too and I want to see it protected from the abuses and evils of the right wing nutjobs and capitalist scumbags who are raping and pilalging our future.

And to those who say the UDHR is not a basis for governing. A government is supposed to be there to protect, defend and recognize basic human rights. It is there to be a tool and framework that a civilization and culture has as a basis for their continued growth and protection. This document is the basis for all good and fair and humane governments. The Constitution is not. It is a codification of white wealthy landowners ideals ignoring what they just said in the declaration of independence about "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL". The UDHR recognizes that and if we replaced the constitution with the UDHR and actually lived by those values then this country would be a truely magnificent place to live.

And Matt when have I ever said I admire Cuba? There are flaws in Cuba that I disagree with. Most of that as a result of the heinous actions taken by the US to try and oust the legal ruler of Cuba Fidel Castro and to destroy Communism. Communism is one of the best ways for peopel to protect their personal liberties while controlling businesses and ensuring the adequate and fair distribution of wealth and resources for the survival of the entire community not just the wealthy and the elite. From a long term survival of the species viewpoint Communism makes a better sense than preying on each other and everythign that Capitalism does. So yes I admire Communism. I abhor Capitalism.


But some more of the failures of the constitution: It did not place a strong enough barrier between religon and government letting christian moral based laws be placed on the books such as regulating whom a consenting adult may marry, what sexual position consenting adults may use, heck even if a consenting adult may use a sex toy on themselves or another consenting adult.

It placed too much power on the president as to be able to conduct war. It should restrict our military to those actions required to directly enforce our immediate security and defense. We are not the world's policemen and should never be. We should be restricted from imperialistic aggression and opression and occupation like we have been doing in Iraq.
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No I will not. I am going to stay and fight to help improve this country. To help save it for my children and grandchildren from the failures of the republicans, capitalism and excessive religion. And Just FYI I am as big a redneck as anyone else around here. I am armed and know how to use them quite well. I am just as dedicated to my beliefs and have just as much right to be here as you do. This is my country too and I want to see it protected from the abuses and evils of the right wing nutjobs and capitalist scumbags who are raping and pilalging our future.
Well, since the US was established to stand for certain types of principles and freedoms that you don't want or like, I'd say you are not part of this country and it is not yours. You just happened to be born here. Go insure your kids future in some other country. What you want won't happen. If anything, like you suggest, comes close to happening then us "right wing nut jobs" will utterly destroy you. The libs would have no chance. What side of the aisle do you think most of the military leans to? Hint: I'm currently serving. The Constitution is just fine and it won't be scrapped.

You want to know what is part of every service members oath is? "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic"

Guess where that lands you, pal? In a position that isn't too hopeful.
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Now to respond to your communist goals list:

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U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
And this is a bad thign? Anythign would be better than atomic or nuclear warfare. Anything.

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Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces
Well they are one of the best hopes for humanity. America is too gungho wnating to take over the world and be the king of the hill and not let anyone else share unless its on american terms which all good people of the earth must fight to prevent that from happening. A world government is not a bad thing.

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Do away with all loyalty oaths.
Yeah that would be good. No more pledge of allegiance. No more forcing people to say words that they may or may not believe in. If people are loyal to a country or a government or an ideal they will be so regardless of any oath and ther reverse is just as true.

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Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
Obscenity is in the eyes of the beholder. What one person may call obscne another may find artistically valuable. If you truely value the meaning of the constitutional freedom of speech then all speech, even taht which you disagree with or hate must be protected. I think souht park should be destroyed, burned removed from the existence of humanity and the creaters of it subjected to electroshock therapy for how retarded disgusting and insulting and worthless trash that show is. however I realize there is somethign called a channel button on the tv that lets me go someplace other than where south park is being shown. People need ot learn that if you dont like the song change the station, dont like ths show change the station. Otherwise shut up and quit being such a hypocrit!

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Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
Organized and authorized and legally recognized prayer in government run and sponsired schools is in violation of the seperation of church and state and should be eliminated. Not everyone prays to the same burnign bush or talking voice from the sky.

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Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
It is and they where. Truth hurts dont it?

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American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture."
Well America is only one of how many nations? Not counting all throuhgout history. Not to mention the UNited States has only beein in existence for 200 years or so. There are outhouses in europe that have been around longer. The native americans had huge nations and cultures here long before whitey first set foot on the shores. hell the vikings got here first. Teach a less ameriocentric view of history. We did not do everythign and we are not the god's gift to the earth. we are just one nation that did do a few great thigns but we are one of many parts of a brilliant tapestry of cultures, peoples, a nations.

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Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
Considering haivng one voice to control allthe various agencies instead of 50 different and sometimes hostile policies which would reduce effectiveness in one UNITED States of america. This is one country not fifty little different ones and the states and people need to recognize that fact and get over living in the past. The states are subordinate to the federal government and rightly so and need to be brought down a few pegs.

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Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
Uh yeah they where a domestichate group like the KGB and the SS and just as evil. Jo Mccarthy was an evil heinous little man who deserved to be skinned alive and killed slowly.

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Internationalize the Panama Canal
For the good of all humanity yes it should be in the hands of the United Nations. Without the Panama Canal international trade would be severely restricted.

As for all the rest of the bullshit crap on that list I do not agree with it support it or see that as part of the democratic "agenda". And considering hwo I'd not even seen or heard that list until you just posted it I'll have to look into it further before considering just how much BS that is.

Anyhow people are blind and dont wanna see how there are some thigns that are better in the Communist way.
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And this is a bad thing? Anything would be better than atomic or nuclear warfare. Anything.
Hey, we agree on something, at least.
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