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Old 10-02-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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You may also have been "ensnared" into thinking that we cannot cut discretionary spending on socialist warfare-state economics while cutting social spending that can provide for the general welfare through socialist welfare-state economics. Our wars on abstractions are a form of less fiscally responsible, national and socialized, warfare-state public policies which are not enumerated in our Constitution as there is no provision for the common Offense, or the general Warfare.
dan i can't believe youre accusing someone else of being socialist. you are the most socialist person i know on here. youre worse than danny for christs sake.


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Old 10-02-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

I am advocating for an eventual, zero percent income tax on real persons except when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it. Public sector means of production are one method of ensuring infrastructure and labor are utilized more efficiently.

Subsidizing labor can provide better metrics on full employment of resources: a zero percent official unemployment rate implies full employment of resources in the market for labor. With full employment of resources in the market for labor, there is no economic reason why wages cannot out perform inflation on a longitudinal basis.
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Old 10-02-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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dan i can't believe youre accusing someone else of being socialist. you are the most socialist person i know on here. youre worse than danny for christs sake.

fail.
You would be more credible if you understood the argument.
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Old 10-02-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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You may also have been "ensnared" into thinking that we cannot cut discretionary spending on socialist warfare-state economics while cutting social spending that can provide for the general welfare through socialist welfare-state economics. Our wars on abstractions are a form of less fiscally responsible, national and socialized, warfare-state public policies which are not enumerated in our Constitution as there is no provision for the common Offense, or the general Warfare.
Do you have a "danielpalos to English" dictionary?

I really don't think you even know what you're saying.
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Re: Scrap the constitution

What about the morals and ethics of continuing socialized discretionary spending on a drug war and claiming that we need to cut social spending? A more fiscally responsible position would advocate reducing discretionary, national and socialized, spending that does not provide for the general welfare.
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Old 10-02-2009
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Do you have a "danielpalos to English" dictionary?

I really don't think you even know what you're saying.
I got that too. Whats a real person?
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Old 10-02-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

If we were to draw an imaginary line somewhere, we could do it within the real person artificial person context. Usually, artificial persons can afford to have an entire accounting department help them conform to rational actor theory. However, this is also a hypothetical since there may not be any need to distinguish between the two.
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Old 10-02-2009
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You would be more credible if you understood the argument.

glass houses dan-o
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What about the morals and ethics of continuing socialized discretionary spending on a drug war and claiming that we need to cut social spending?

A more fiscally responsible position would advocate reducing discretionary, national and socialized, spending that does not provide for the general welfare.

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Section 8
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and
Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general
Welfare of the United States;
but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be
uniform throughout the United States;

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Article 6.

...

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in
Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the
Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the
Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or
Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

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glass houses dan-o
Which argument are you claiming I am not understanding? Can you restate your point of view?
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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Which argument are you claiming I am not understanding? Can you restate your point of view?
you said

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You would be more credible if you understood the argument.
I suggested that you consider the adage about people living in glass houses and the throwing od stones. Albiet in a condensed manner. I figured that was widely enough known that you would get my drift.
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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If we were to draw an imaginary line somewhere, we could do it within the real person artificial person context. Usually, artificial persons can afford to have an entire accounting department help them conform to rational actor theory. However, this is also a hypothetical since there may not be any need to distinguish between the two.
I cant tell if youre making fun of us or not.
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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you said

I suggested that you consider the adage about people living in glass houses and the throwing od stones. Albiet in a condensed manner. I figured that was widely enough known that you would get my drift.
This is the argument that solicited my rebuttal: You may also have been "ensnared" into thinking that we cannot cut discretionary spending on socialist warfare-state economics while cutting social spending that can provide for the general welfare through socialist welfare-state economics. Our wars on abstractions are a form of less fiscally responsible, national and socialized, warfare-state public policies which are not enumerated in our Constitution as there is no provision for the common Offense, or the general Warfare.
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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I cant tell if youre making fun of us or not.
You are welcome to look up any terms you may be unfamiliar with. Google works pretty well.
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Old 10-02-2009
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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What about the morals and ethics of continuing socialized discretionary spending on a drug war and claiming that we need to cut social spending?

A more fiscally responsible position would advocate reducing discretionary, national and socialized, spending that does not provide for the general welfare.
Why are you repeating yourself?

Do you have to bring up the drug war in almost every thread? Many people here are against the war on drugs, yet you constantly bring it up in almost every thread you post on. You also bring up paying people not to work and the general warfare in almost every thread. If you want to be taken seriously, it would help immensely if you stopped intentionally writing in obtuse and vague generalizations and actually spoke in clear, concise terms that are easy for anyone to understand.
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