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Old 09-28-2009
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Scrap the constitution

That is what we need to do to help prevent this nation falling into thrid world status. The Constitution is a document that no longer reflects the world we live in. It was fine for the time period in which it was written, 200 years ago. But the world ahs moved on those fools who are trying to impose a document that old on the modern world by sayign that the constitution is a firm and unchangeing, unchangeable carved in stone set of rules might as well by using the magna carta or the code of hammurabi. All outdated and useless and no longer applicable to the modern world.

what needs to be done is to scrap the old constitution and either write a new one that reflects the modern world more accurately and appropriately or adopt a set of documents that have already been written that more than adequately describes the requirments of modern civilized nations. That would be a model for the US to reconfigure itself into. A set of rules that all humans could live & thrive under. Well all but the right wing extremist sickos.A set of laws that would help protect every citizen of the united states unlike the current constitution which was just a throw together compromise document that has only been hled together with patchwork jury rigging and compromises. The document i am referring to that is so much superior to the Constitution is:
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights. http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml

A beutiful document that is more appropriate and more beneficial and more well written than the flawed and outdated US Constitution. Look at this preamble:
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Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,

Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.
So I say burn the Constitution. Throw its ashes away. It was never intended to be the end all and be all of the governing documents. It was never intended to be strictly and unchangingly interpreted anyhow. It was meant to be a fluid and open set of documents. But its time has come and gone. It is a relic of an era that exists no more. There is precedent in the US history of throwing away a failure like the Constitution and starting over with somethign better. That is what this country truely needs to do.
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Re: Scrap the constitution

There's nothing wrong with the Constitution though I'm sure many left wing extremists would love to see it scrapped just to get rid of the right to bear arms.
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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There's nothing wrong with the Constitution
Um yeah there is quite a bit wrong with the constitution. For one thign it doesnt address many of the issues that face modern america. Like what exactly the government is supposed to be able to do to promote the general welfare. About how the constitution doesnt do enough to protect basic human rights. It doesnt do enough to cleanly seperate the church from the state and the state from the church. Two thigns that should never ever be mixed together. Alos The constitution was a compromised changing of the Articles of Confederation. Which truely did give staes rights and powers but was thrown out when the Constitution created a plutocratic republic. Remember at the time of the constitutions signing only white land owning males where allowed to vote or hold political office. So if you want to strictly interpret the constitution all you women are no longer allowed to vote nor anyone renting an apartment or non-whites.


The constitution was a good document for its time but it needs to be revised and updated. Or at the least it needs ot stop being interpreted as an unchanging strict document and as the more fluid and flexible document it is supposed to be.
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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Um yeah there is quite a bit wrong with the constitution. For one thign it doesnt address many of the issues that face modern america. Like what exactly the government is supposed to be able to do to promote the general welfare. About how the constitution doesnt do enough to protect basic human rights. It doesnt do enough to cleanly seperate the church from the state and the state from the church. Two thigns that should never ever be mixed together. Alos The constitution was a compromised changing of the Articles of Confederation. Which truely did give staes rights and powers but was thrown out when the Constitution created a plutocratic republic. Remember at the time of the constitutions signing only white land owning males where allowed to vote or hold political office. So if you want to strictly interpret the constitution all you women are no longer allowed to vote nor anyone renting an apartment or non-whites.
Wrong.

You might have heard of things called "Amendments"? These "Amendments" change the Constitution, and the things you are claiming are not true.

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The constitution was a good document for its time but it needs to be revised and updated. Or at the least it needs ot stop being interpreted as an unchanging strict document and as the more fluid and flexible document it is supposed to be.
The Constitution can be changed via the Amendment process, if enough of the People want the change. The problem for you is that very, very few people want the change you want.

But I'm not surprised to find out that you don't understand any of this - you believe in the Communism fairy story.

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Re: Scrap the constitution

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what needs to be done is to scrap the old constitution and either write a new one that reflects the modern world more accurately and appropriately or adopt a set of documents that have already been written that more than adequately describes the requirments of modern civilized nations. That would be a model for the US to reconfigure itself into. A set of rules that all humans could live & thrive under. Well all but the right wing extremist sickos.A set of laws that would help protect every citizen of the united states unlike the current constitution which was just a throw together compromise document that has only been hled together with patchwork jury rigging and compromises. The document i am referring to that is so much superior to the Constitution is:
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights
You know what is truly funny here? You complain about the Constitution and tell us how terrible the US is and how much better things would be under Communism. Yet, just 90 miles away from the southern tip of the US there is a Communist country - and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is banned there. You can go to jail for having a copy.

So you revere a document and at the same time revere a system of government that will put you in jail for having a copy of it.

You probably won't see the issue there, but trust me - it's funny as hell.

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Re: Scrap the constitution

Let's see what Jefferson and Madison had to say.....
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“Our tenet ever was… that Congress had not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were restrained to those specifically enumerated, and that, as it was never meant that they should provide for that welfare but by the exercise of the enumerated powers, so it could not have been meant they should raise money for purposes which the enumeration did not place under their action; consequently, that the specification of powers is a limitation of the purposes for which they may raise money.”
–Thomas Jefferson
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“With respect to the two words “general welfare,” I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.”
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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Um yeah there is quite a bit wrong with the constitution. For one thign it doesnt address many of the issues that face modern america. Like what exactly the government is supposed to be able to do to promote the general welfare. About how the constitution doesnt do enough to protect basic human rights. It doesnt do enough to cleanly seperate the church from the state and the state from the church. Two thigns that should never ever be mixed together. Alos The constitution was a compromised changing of the Articles of Confederation. Which truely did give staes rights and powers but was thrown out when the Constitution created a plutocratic republic. Remember at the time of the constitutions signing only white land owning males where allowed to vote or hold political office. So if you want to strictly interpret the constitution all you women are no longer allowed to vote nor anyone renting an apartment or non-whites.


The constitution was a good document for its time but it needs to be revised and updated. Or at the least it needs ot stop being interpreted as an unchanging strict document and as the more fluid and flexible document it is supposed to be.
*emphasis mine*

You could try reading what James Maddison (Father of the Constition) wrote about the phrase 'general welfare'.

"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."

"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress... Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America"
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Re: Scrap the constitution

The Constitution was written with people like you and Obama in mind Rahmota. So I'm not at all surprised that you feel impaired by it, that means its doing it's job.

It's only when we abandon it that we have problems. If it needs revision at all, its to give the politicos less wiggle room.
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Re: Scrap the constitution

Scrap it ? No thanks.

If you feel there are appropriate changes that need to be made there is a process in place to do that. Of course the nation will need to agree with you.
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Re: Scrap the constitution

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That is what we need to do to help prevent this nation falling into thrid world status. The Constitution is a document that no longer reflects the world we live in. It was fine for the time period in which it was written, 200 years ago. But the world ahs moved on those fools who are trying to impose a document that old on the modern world by sayign that the constitution is a firm and unchangeing, unchangeable carved in stone set of rules might as well by using the magna carta or the code of hammurabi. All outdated and useless and no longer applicable to the modern world.

what needs to be done is to scrap the old constitution and either write a new one that reflects the modern world more accurately and appropriately or adopt a set of documents that have already been written that more than adequately describes the requirments of modern civilized nations. That would be a model for the US to reconfigure itself into. A set of rules that all humans could live & thrive under. Well all but the right wing extremist sickos.A set of laws that would help protect every citizen of the united states unlike the current constitution which was just a throw together compromise document that has only been hled together with patchwork jury rigging and compromises. The document i am referring to that is so much superior to the Constitution is:
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

A beutiful document that is more appropriate and more beneficial and more well written than the flawed and outdated US Constitution. Look at this preamble:


So I say burn the Constitution. Throw its ashes away. It was never intended to be the end all and be all of the governing documents. It was never intended to be strictly and unchangingly interpreted anyhow. It was meant to be a fluid and open set of documents. But its time has come and gone. It is a relic of an era that exists no more. There is precedent in the US history of throwing away a failure like the Constitution and starting over with somethign better. That is what this country truely needs to do.
Always nice to get an idea of who I will be forced to shoot at if your ilk ever tries shit like this.
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Re: Scrap the constitution

from the UN thingy

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Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

this is a joke, right ?
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That is what we need to do to help prevent this nation falling into thrid world status. The Constitution is a document that no longer reflects the world we live in. It was fine for the time period in which it was written, 200 years ago. But the world ahs moved on those fools who are trying to impose a document that old on the modern world by sayign that the constitution is a firm and unchangeing, unchangeable carved in stone set of rules might as well by using the magna carta or the code of hammurabi. All outdated and useless and no longer applicable to the modern world.

what needs to be done is to scrap the old constitution and either write a new one that reflects the modern world more accurately and appropriately or adopt a set of documents that have already been written that more than adequately describes the requirments of modern civilized nations. That would be a model for the US to reconfigure itself into. A set of rules that all humans could live & thrive under. Well all but the right wing extremist sickos.A set of laws that would help protect every citizen of the united states unlike the current constitution which was just a throw together compromise document that has only been hled together with patchwork jury rigging and compromises. The document i am referring to that is so much superior to the Constitution is:
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

A beutiful document that is more appropriate and more beneficial and more well written than the flawed and outdated US Constitution. Look at this preamble:


So I say burn the Constitution. Throw its ashes away. It was never intended to be the end all and be all of the governing documents. It was never intended to be strictly and unchangingly interpreted anyhow. It was meant to be a fluid and open set of documents. But its time has come and gone. It is a relic of an era that exists no more. There is precedent in the US history of throwing away a failure like the Constitution and starting over with somethign better. That is what this country truely needs to do.
I have an alternative idea...........all those that don't like this country/it's constitution, find yourselves some real estate and start your own fucking country.
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The Left is abandoning it's policy of changing and ignoring the constitution by means of court decrees? While I can understand the Left's frustration at slowly getting rid of the constitution, I doubt if even our present state of flux will allow such an obvious power grab.
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The document i am referring to that is so much superior to the Constitution is:
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

A beutiful document that is more appropriate and more beneficial and more well written than the flawed and outdated US Constitution. Look at this preamble:.
A document which is in now way or manner actually supported by the behavior of a single government on the planet despite lip-service to the contrary. It also offers nothing meaningful in the slightest in regard to governance of a nation.
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That is what we need to do to help prevent this nation falling into thrid world status. The Constitution is a document that no longer reflects the world we live in. It was fine for the time period in which it was written, 200 years ago. But the world ahs moved on those fools who are trying to impose a document that old on the modern world by sayign that the constitution is a firm and unchangeing, unchangeable carved in stone set of rules might as well by using the magna carta or the code of hammurabi. All outdated and useless and no longer applicable to the modern world.

what needs to be done is to scrap the old constitution and either write a new one that reflects the modern world more accurately and appropriately or adopt a set of documents that have already been written that more than adequately describes the requirments of modern civilized nations. That would be a model for the US to reconfigure itself into. A set of rules that all humans could live & thrive under. Well all but the right wing extremist sickos.A set of laws that would help protect every citizen of the united states unlike the current constitution which was just a throw together compromise document that has only been hled together with patchwork jury rigging and compromises. The document i am referring to that is so much superior to the Constitution is:
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

A beutiful document that is more appropriate and more beneficial and more well written than the flawed and outdated US Constitution. Look at this preamble:


So I say burn the Constitution. Throw its ashes away. It was never intended to be the end all and be all of the governing documents. It was never intended to be strictly and unchangingly interpreted anyhow. It was meant to be a fluid and open set of documents. But its time has come and gone. It is a relic of an era that exists no more. There is precedent in the US history of throwing away a failure like the Constitution and starting over with somethign better. That is what this country truely needs to do.
You're welcome to leave and move to a nation more in keeping with your line of thinking. In fact, I believe it would be better for you as well as the rest of the nation were you to do so. You will obviously never be happy here, and you haven't a snowball's chance in hell of getting the rest of this country to want what you advocate.
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