like we don't do thie every damn year ?

the only question I have is why they have not bothered to get their act together sooner ?

want to cut delivery days ? fine, have at it so long as it means you cut payroll.

the business model is long since dead, lets figure out what the new one is and get on with it.

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It could in fact be doomed, if only we would let it. Think of all the cart-a-sort that would no longer show up in our mail boxes. How many trees would that save? And how about all those damn jeeps idling at every mail box. To get rid of them surely would be good for the environment.

Sadly, I don't think Obamer could resist another bailout though.

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It's kind of nice to be able to send a letter or a card for cheap.......but there's not much money in it or Fed Ex or UPS would do it.

I think we're always going to subsidize it to some degree. If they don't use tax dollars, but borrow it from the treasury, what's the difference?

I personally like the service for what it is except for all the junk mail. Charge more for junk mail or get rid of that overhead and don't sort/carry/deliver it.

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uhm what? why should I subsidize someone elses mail service?

Raise the cost.

If the market turns away, then pull then plug on it.....

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It wouldn't save any trees at all.
A typical response from an unknowing public.
All major American/Canadian/European paper industries plant more trees than they harvest. Get rid of the mills, and there would actually be less trees.

Direct mail is a vital medium for many, many businesses. Without it, and new products, new businesses have a small chance of reaching the public.
Direct-targeted mail is by far the most successful advertising medium out there.
Bailing out the USPS would hurt less than the significant hurt it would impose on all other businesses.

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Once again another fine example of whatever the govt. touches turns to shit!

• USPS is a quasi-government organization - broke and more or less dysfunctional!
• Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are also quasi-government organizations and helped get us into this financial mess and are also in trouble.

These are just two examples but there are plenty of other examples of government incompetence.

And some of you want the government to run our health care. God help us.

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They have a government mandated monopoly

btw.. Unions killed them a long time ago.. the money theya re losing is the money for retirement benifits.

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Did you opt out of mail delivery or something?

FedEx and UPS charge about $2.00 to mail a letter.

I would suppose that the USPS could raise the price to 60 cents or so...or maybe higher. But if the market didn't like it and we didn't let them borrow money, I guess we'd be sending $2 letters, $2 postcards, $2 to pay the bills we can't ebill..etc.

Oh well, fuck 'em. I can afford it and it would be worth it to see another government program go down.

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This is true. Just like the unions are killing the American auto industry.

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I'm sorry but are you arguing paper mills are good for the environment? Trees are not the only thing they destroy but the habit of millions of animals are lost and it doesn't matter if new trees are planted. It will take years for the forest to become inhabtable again.

I dunno’.

How much is it to mail a letter right now? Forty-four cents? That’s pretty cheap. Compare that to what that FedEx or UPS would charge for that same letter. There’s quite a difference in price.

I think the USPS should raise their rates to where they’re competitive with other carriers. They could still be cheaper, make more (or lose less), and could, perhaps, avoid relying on a bailout.

The problem is that there’s always such a public outcry when the post office raises its’ rates.

I can remember when it cost eight cents for a first class stamp. It went up to a dime and people lost their minds. For whatever reason, people will always decry postal rate increases. Yet, when compared to the price of a gallon of gas, or a loaf of bread, or a gallon of milk, the price of a stamp hasn’t gone up that much at all.

People will still need to mail things. Not everything can be done through e-mail or on the internet. For this reason, I think we need to figure out a way to make the Postal Service viable.

A one pound package shipped overnight with USPS, from San Diego to Long Island, would be $25.15. That same package, shipped via UPS, would be $45.10, which is the same as FedEx. Nothing special is being done with the package by either UPS or FedEx, but they’re charging almost twice as much to get the same one pound package to the same residential address in Hauppauge, New York, in one day.

How about a simple letter?

Well, at the Post Office, we already know that costs forty four cents. The problem with the comparison is that UPS and FedEx don’t offer anything comparable to first class postage. Their letters are all “expedited” at FedEx. An overnight letter will set you back $64.77. Yikes. The Post Office? $21.20; less than one third the price of FedEx. UPS can get it there, next day, for $31.91, or roughly 50% more than the Post Office.

If you wanted to just “send a letter” with UPS, with no time constraints, you’ll spend a minimum of $9.61. I’ve gotten letters through the Post Office in that amount of time, from New York, for forty four cents.

Both FedEx and UPS seem to be going strong, so why not adopt their business model, raise the rates at the Post Office (say, from $25.00 for that package to $35.00), and see what happens. Instead of a first class stamp for .44, let’s make it $7.00. It’ll still be cheaper than UPS or FedEx, but the increase in revenue could negate any need for a bailout…

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Mailing a letter should cost 52 cents considering the price was raised in 1975 from 10 cents to 13 on account of inflationary pressures and adjusting that 13 cents to find the price today would make it 52 cents.

[QUOTE=daddio;1577393][URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/19/politics/main5711797.shtml"]like we don't do thie every damn year ?[QUOTE]

You said a mouthful... sugar!

Bailout shouldn't even be used here. The USPS is just like the VA and every other government organiaton that provides a tangible service. TheY don't have to make a profit. So the term 'bailout' is inappropriate. And funny!

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Not at all, as I said raise the price then. If the market bears it fine, if not well?

Frankly post office folks have the gov. to feed them whenever they fail, that’s got to stop or they will never get healthy, I don't call healthy losing billions a year.

We already are in affect subsidizing them....if everyone is to big to fail where does it end?

I don't want to fuc anyone, but as it stands we are getting fucked right now anyway.

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I went through both of their websites pretty thoroughly, and I didn't see such a rate on either.

Could you point me to one?

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