Thread: Massive cuts by Republicans graphed

Originally Posted by jviehe

I thought we covered that in another thread of yours. Youre just going to ignore the facts?

lmao


Right. It was covered.

The answer, so near as I can figure out, was the same as always. "Who cares? We got ours, screw the rest of you"

I was hoping for a more realistic response. That response didn't work for Mubarak; it probably won't work for Republicans.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin
Please tell me again, what is that Republicans are doing about jobs, jobs, jobs, their number 2 priority?

Originally Posted by jviehe

I thought we covered that in another thread of yours. Youre just going to ignore the facts?

Nope, no one has showed the GOP doing anything about creating jobs, try again, you've failed.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

Please tell me again, what is that Republicans are doing about jobs, jobs, jobs, their number 2 priority?

And what did Obama do about jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, his last priority.

Now to your question, cutting spending, cutting down the sizes of big daddy government, getting rid of the job killing Obamacare, getting rid of regulations that kill business, putting controls on the EPA over businesses, and the same applies to the Regulatory Agency. How is that for starters?

Originally Posted by Forplay

And what did Obama do about jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, his last priority.

Now to your question, cutting spending, cutting down the sizes of big daddy government, getting rid of the job killing Obamacare, getting rid of regulations that kill business, putting controls on the EPA over businesses, and the same applies to the Regulatory Agency. How is that for starters?

Lets see... Every single item results in increasing unemployment.

So, I guess as to creating jobs, its a pretty bleak outlook.

Lets just remember, you are advocating the policies of GW and the Republicans. We just finished that.

The result was 8 million jobs lost and the home equity of most Americans destroyed. Yet you believe all we need to do is go back to those policies?

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

Lets see... Every single item results in increasing unemployment.

So, I guess as to creating jobs, its a pretty bleak outlook.

Lets just remember, you are advocating the policies of GW and the Republicans. We just finished that.

The result was 8 million jobs lost and the home equity of most Americans destroyed. Yet you believe all we need to do is go back to those policies?

Actually, Obama has created more jobs in 2 years than GW did in 8 years. The problem is, GW destroyed more jobs than anyone could have possibly dreamed of. I sit before this keyboard with rapt amazement and read the delusional and regurgitated denials of the GOP and unreasonable accusations they throw at the Obama camp. There is nothing wrong with being a Republican, the values they SAY they have are reasonable. The problem is, NONE of the current leadership has ever done anything approaching what their said objectives are, they spend like drunken sailers on leave, they nation build, they expand gov, they expand the deficit, they fill their bills with pork, and worse of all, spend their time mouthing cute little phrases instead of being proactive. There USED to be honest Republicans, real men who were the loyal opposition to my views. They would give open, intelligent discourse on their views, and make useful criticism of other views. Right now, all I see is a bunch of Jerry Springer rejects.

Your right, Dick, the GOP has made the future bleak, if this is all they have, 2012 should be another Dem windfall.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

lmao


Right. It was covered.

The answer, so near as I can figure out, was the same as always. "Who cares? We got ours, screw the rest of you"

I was hoping for a more realistic response. That response didn't work for Mubarak; it probably won't work for Republicans.

Well, then let me remind you, since you DO want to ignore the facts:

House:

Day 1 - adopt the rules
Day 2 - reduce salaries and expenses of House member offices
Day 3 - debate repeal of obamacare
Day 4 - vote to stop overprinting of congressional documents
Day 5 - vote to repeal obamacare
Day 6 - debate replacing obamacare
Day 7 - debate and vote on reducing spending to 2008 levels
Day 8 - same
Day 9 - debate and vote to terminate taxpayer funding of presidential elections and conventions


Meanwhile Senate:

Day 1 - vote to honor victims of AZ shooting
Day 2 - debate and vote on amending a bunch of rules

That was as of the first 2 weeks of session. You never answered what they should be doing about jobs. I keep hearing criticism with no solutions.

Originally Posted by clarkatticus

Actually, Obama has created more jobs in 2 years than GW did in 8 years. The problem is, GW destroyed more jobs than anyone could have possibly dreamed of. I sit before this keyboard with rapt amazement and read the delusional and regurgitated denials of the GOP and unreasonable accusations they throw at the Obama camp. There is nothing wrong with being a Republican, the values they SAY they have are reasonable. The problem is, NONE of the current leadership has ever done anything approaching what their said objectives are, they spend like drunken sailers on leave, they nation build, they expand gov, they expand the deficit, they fill their bills with pork, and worse of all, spend their time mouthing cute little phrases instead of being proactive. There USED to be honest Republicans, real men who were the loyal opposition to my views. They would give open, intelligent discourse on their views, and make useful criticism of other views. Right now, all I see is a bunch of Jerry Springer rejects.

How many jobs were created during Bush's 8 years. How many during Obamas? I would sure like to see your sources given I know you are wrong. Youre new to this forum and Ill warn you now that you will be challenged when you make stuff up.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

Best go look at the track record again before you put that post-it note on Democrat's foreheads. You talk about the terrible Dems but it is clear who ran up the deficit in the first place. It wasn't Dems, was it.

Dick, I'm not certain that this is supported by fact.


111th United States Congress - January 3, 2009 – January 3, 2011 (Wikipedia.org)
Senate Majority: Democratic Party
House Majority: Democratic Party

110th United States Congress - January 3, 2007 – January 3, 2009 (Wikipedia.org)
Senate Majority: Democratic Party
House Majority: Democratic Party

109th United States Congress - January 3, 2005 – January 3, 2007 (Wikipedia.org)
Senate Majority: Republican Party
House Majority: Republican Party

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Originally Posted by Forplay

You don't have it under Obama, Obama has increased the size of government, he as raised the national debt by 3 trillion in just two yrs, Obama's unemployment is 9% and has been in the high 9's for ever. There you go your great Anointed One.

You really ain't a fair guy, are ya? Prove to me that Obama created the mess he inherited and perhaps an honest discussion will insue.

Both the Repubs and Dems felt that the bailouts HAD to occur, to ward off another G.D. And as in the past, gov't spending was used to try to keep the Depression from storming the beaches. Nothing new here to see, although you would like this mess to be Obama's fault entirely. Wish in one hand and shit in the other...

Pres. Bush is the one who set precedents. He and Congress allowed two wars to be waged, without paying for it with increased taxes, like we have always done. The cost was basically not even in the budget, and Obama had it added back to where it should have been in the first place.

There are plenty of places to point fingers, and it cannot be pointed in Obama's direction exclusively. He inherited a grand mess, and folks like you would be happier if the Nation crashed, so that you could lay this at his feet as well. Some would rather see Obama fail, and the Nation go to hell in a handbasket. The worst thing Obama could ever do for these folks is to somehow succeed in making things better for the average folks. Which by the way, I feel is impossible. It took years to get to where we are, and it will take at least as many years to get out of it. That the Right just refuses to acknowledge this fact is dirty politics. The Repub Party will always supercede this Nation. Ideology will always trump fixing what is broke. And I can say the same for most of the Dems. Uber partisanship means little gets fixed. The ideology is much more important to these jackwags than the Nation itself. And that is so obvious, at least to these old tired eyes.

Eventually taxes are gonna have to be increased, on both the middle class and the rich. In reality the Dems want to cut what the Pubs love, and the Repubs want to cut what the Dems love. Which means nothing of consequence will get done in the spending area, IMO. To fix the mess, you need more tax revenues, since spending probably won't be decreased in any meaningful way. But this is anathema to the Repubs. They think lower taxes, or even NO taxes will solve everything, a panacea. I reckon they still live mentally in the 19th century, with its infastructure.

We have collectively paid higher tax rates on income than we do today. Sometimes one has to have higher tax rates to live in a 21st century Nation. So we need to increase tax rates, and this time we need to get rid of the special interests tax breaks and loopholes the rich have always had. Their effective tax rate is lower than what is generally given on FNC. The rich have always had access to smart tax lawyers that can play the system when tax loopholes are not given by our lawmakers. The middle class generally don't have these tools, and their effective tax rate is closer to the book rate. Being rich has all kinds of perks that average folks don't have.

Much to the chagrin of the Pubs, lower tax rates will only add to this huge problem we have. Sometimes we have to require the rich to suffer with the rest of us. NOW, I know that is unthinkable, but we have to think outside the box if we want this fixed.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

You need to listen to another class of people. America isn't broke, isn't close to broke, isn't going broke.

You need to understand - there is a category of people called demagogues. They scare people. Then, once they have scared people they explain that they have the answers. Its what Limbaugh, Fox News, and the Republican right wing are doing, and have been doing for more than 20 years now.

Don't get sucked in by it. Demagogues have been around for thousands of years and it always ends the same way for them - people catch on, and they get ridden out of town on a rail.

By which definition do you determine that the US isn't broke? Really, I'm interested. If we are not broke, we have a much better chance at weathering this economic and jobs storm.

Originally Posted by hairballxavier

The USA is by far the largest manufactuer.

We should keep it that way.

So far so good.
U.S. manufacturing has edge, despite China's might

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

Please tell me again, what is that Republicans are doing about jobs, jobs, jobs, their number 2 priority?

Actually, this really depends on how much overzealous business hampering regulation can be done away with. This would include the tax code as well. So from that count, they are on their priorities.

Have to compare this with the last 2 years where a huge amount of regulation was written, and is still in the process of being written.

Red Tape Rising: Obama's Torrent of New Regulation | The Heritage Foundation



But then again, I suppose you could count all those regulators cranking out this stuff as jobs saved then, couldn't you? (Sorry just couldn't resist).

Originally Posted by eohrnberger

By which definition do you determine that the US isn't broke? Really, I'm interested. If we are not broke, we have a much better chance at weathering this economic and jobs storm.



So far so good.
U.S. manufacturing has edge, despite China's might


Actually, this really depends on how much overzealous business hampering regulation can be done away with. This would include the tax code as well. So from that count, they are on their priorities.

Have to compare this with the last 2 years where a huge amount of regulation was written, and is still in the process of being written.

Red Tape Rising: Obama's Torrent of New Regulation | The Heritage Foundation



But then again, I suppose you could count all those regulators cranking out this stuff as jobs saved then, couldn't you? (Sorry just couldn't resist).

OK. Fair points.

The claim is made that the US is broke. By what measure? I understand there are other implications, and that they are serious, but so long as the government owns a printing press, we can not say we are broke. There are many things we can say, but broke isn't one of them.

As to the business regulations? Two points:
1-If everyone has the same rules then the playing field is level and fair.
2-Good regulation and enforcement in the last two years would have saved the coal miner's lives at Massey Coal, the oil refinery workers lives in Houston, and the oil drillers lives in the Gulf. If one of those workers were your son, would you still feel the same way?

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

OK. Fair points.

The claim is made that the US is broke. By what measure? I understand there are other implications, and that they are serious, but so long as the government owns a printing press, we can not say we are broke. There are many things we can say, but broke isn't one of them.

As to the business regulations? Two points:
1-If everyone has the same rules then the playing field is level and fair.
2-Good regulation and enforcement in the last two years would have saved the coal miner's lives at Massey Coal, the oil refinery workers lives in Houston, and the oil drillers lives in the Gulf. If one of those workers were your son, would you still feel the same way?

Now if we can only regulate, no crime, or drunk drivers from killing people, and illegals from coming into this country, people driving stupid killing people etc etc. It would really be great to regulate everything that even comes close to being a risk of creating an injury. We really need a lot more regulation and I mean a lot more.