Thread: the mighty GOP on debt commision make thar offer!

Originally Posted by a777pilot

Cut it ALL. I'm a Marine, or use to be, I will survive.

So the federal government feeds, clothes and educated you as well is now paying for your health care?

Not saying that you did not put something back in with your service, but the US taxpayer has supported you for a while and depending on the length of your service and circumstances of leaving the service, the US taxpayer may be paying for you for a long while.

Originally Posted by adaher

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And a war on the middle class? Seriously? The Republicans depend on the middle class to win elections.....

The GOP gets support from the middle class by letting them believe that they can become rich and leave the middle class behind.

That is in part of why the economy is in the shitter so bad not. The Bush administration allowed a huge bubble to be created by setting the stage for the one significant physical asset that the majority of the middle class owned, housing, to become a source of instant cash so that the middle class could spend the imaginary increases in house value on consumption.

Now that the imaginary house price gains have evaporated, the middle class is stuck with the debt load and with the GOP out of the administration they can blame it on the Dems.

The only people who truly made money out of all this is the true base of the GOP, big business, who made a killing in the Bush started bailouts.

Originally Posted by 9aces

And how's that working out for ya?

ahoy 9aces,

personally? just fine, mate. Mr. Obama followed through with the Tarp bailouts, which secured me earnin' power fer the forseeable future. plus the ACA treated me family Merck stock just fine, thank ye fer askin'!

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by RDK

So the federal government feeds, clothes and educated you as well is now paying for your health care?

Not saying that you did not put something back in with your service, but the US taxpayer has supported you for a while and depending on the length of your service and circumstances of leaving the service, the US taxpayer may be paying for you for a long while.

Thank you. Now cut everything!

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy 9aces,

personally? just fine, mate. Mr. Obama followed through with the Tarp bailouts, which secured me earnin' power fer the forseeable future. plus the ACA treated me family Merck stock just fine, thank ye fer askin'!

- MeadHallPirate

I can see you don't have any kids.

Restoring tax rates on the rich won't solve the debt problem all by itself, but it's an important contribution to the solution. Especially when we're cutting essential services and support for the non-rich.

Tax rates between income groups is, in a important sense, another way of scoring the relative power between those income groups.
The rich are contributing less and less and less due to their increased influence and power. It's time to take some of that power back.

The effective federal income tax rate for the 400 taxpayers with the very highest incomes has declined by nearly half over the past two decades, even as their pre-tax incomes have grown five times larger, new IRS data show.[1]

The top 400 households paid 16.6 percent of their income in federal individual income taxes in 2007, down from 30 percent in 1995. This decline works out to a tax cut of $46 million per filer in 2007, or a total of $18 billion in tax cuts for these households per year.

Originally Posted by jpn

Restoring tax rates on the rich won't solve the debt problem all by itself, but it's an important contribution to the solution. Especially when we're cutting essential services and support for the non-rich.

Tax rates between income groups is, in a important sense, another way of scoring the relative power between those income groups.
The rich are contributing less and less and less due to their increased influence and power. It's time to take some of that power back.

Take the power, and the money and give it to the government, boy there's really an effective solution considering how bad government is at anything other than stealing or killing.

Originally Posted by 9aces

Take the power, and the money and give it to the government, boy there's really an effective solution considering how bad government is at anything other than stealing or killing.

It's weird to listen to people who are so anti-American. You despise the same government that won WWII and landed on the moon, eh? Why don't you just go somewhere else?

And don't let the door hit you on your way out.

In the meantime, we Americans will continue the centuries-long work of building a more perfect union.

Originally Posted by jpn

It's weird to listen to people who are so anti-American. You despise the same government that won WWII and landed on the moon, eh? Why don't you just go somewhere else?

And don't let the door hit you on your way out.

In the meantime, we Americans will continue the centuries-long work of building a more perfect union.

No I despise every government. This government is no different than any other, the territory it has it has because it killed or stole what didn't belong to it. Government is the ultimate protection racket, nothing more, and nothing less.

Why should I leave? My people were here first.

Originally Posted by 9aces

And how's that working out for ya?

I am better off than I was 4 years ago.

Are you not?

As Republicans are often fond of saying, "There's only two kinds of people in the world, those who make money and those who make excuses."

Originally Posted by Jihad4Beer

I am better off than I was 4 years ago.

Are you not?

As Republicans are often fond of saying, "There's only two kinds of people in the world, those who make money and those who make excuses."

Of course I am, I'm a problem solver.

Most of the country however...not so much. But then again, most are waiting for someone else to "do something".

Originally Posted by adaher

The tax cuts did cause the deficits from 1980-1992 and 2002-2008. However, going forward, the problem is spending, which has grown to 25% of GDP. This country has never been able to raise that much in revenue, even in wartime. And whenever we get past 20%, a recession usually follows. Revenues must be 18%, and spending must be 18%.

And a war on the middle class? Seriously? The Republicans depend on the middle class to win elections. Democrats are sick of losing the middle class election after election so now they are positioning themselves as the champions of the middle class. But it's always been just posturing and it still is. The middle class votes Republican and it will vote Republican as long as the middle class pays taxes. Which might also be why Democrats are trying to transition the middle class from being taxpayers to being dependents.

Everybody depends on the middle class to win elections.

The difference is that Republicans depend on you being angry about every bullshit issue out there - remember their phony outrage over the Ground Zero Mosque? That's been open for some time now without one protester every appearing.

Meanwhile, Democrats depend on appealing to the hopes people have that just maybe everybody can shut up long enough to agree on things and form a more perfect union.

I don't doubt that Republicans used to be about that, it's just that there's not a trace of it to be seen these days.

Democrats have always championed the middle class.

Republicans have won more often these last few decades though because they're simply tougher. They bark and condescend, they put down, they all agree to some very basic language together and then come at everyone repeating the same stuff.

Republicans are more successful at the polls than Democrats because they simply exert more of a passionate culty aspect than Democrats, who are one great big team made up of all kinds of different people with different causes and what not. It's a huge, diverse tent the Democratic one, where you'll meet pro-choice and pro-life people, agnostics and very religious people, as well as folks who are okay with gay marriage and folks like the President, who's just not quite on that page yet.

Not Republicans though.

No diversity of opinion allowed.

Banishment and marginalization if you don't hold true to the very narrow definition of what it means to be a neo-liberal these days.

Yes, they're neo-liberals, not conservatives.

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

Yes, they're neo-liberals, not conservatives.

No need to use new names. Anyone who thinks the solution to all our problems is to restore the ancien regime of the Gilded Age is a reactionary, pure and simple.

I say this because I've seen the term neo liberal used to mean one who believes in liberalism but not big government. However, liberals never did believe in big government. We believe in good government, and that size is irrelevant to that issue.