Thread: the mighty GOP on debt commision make thar offer!

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy 9aces,

personally? just fine, mate. Mr. Obama followed through with the Tarp bailouts, which secured me earnin' power fer the forseeable future. plus the ACA treated me family Merck stock just fine, thank ye fer askin'!

- MeadHallPirate

Well for the rest of the country Obama is a complete failure, and based on your statement you will be voting for more Obama failure. I guess there is always one that will support the worst president in US History.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

And taxpayers get a helluva bargain, when the politicians don't renig on promises to our vets. Most folks are too cowardly to serve, and these generally have the loudest, biggest mouths out there. They are detestable little humans, and many could care less about our vets and really hate giving these vets what they really deserve. And since many folks would rather someone else do the dying, and many don't want to be taxed even to care for those that put their life on the line, I say fuck em.

Yeah, it's pretty twisted.

According to the GOP, the troops are good enough to nation-build in Muslim countries, but when they come back home it's every-man-for-yourself with no prospects for them to be nation-building at home.

I don't know why there isn't a politician on the left or right that doesn't introduce the "Jobs For Returning Veterans Now" bill that sees them help in the planning to rebuild America's crumbling infrastructure and to add high speed railways all over the place.

How could anyone vote against that?

Originally Posted by Forplay

Well for the rest of the country Obama is a complete failure, and based on your statement you will be voting for more Obama failure. I guess there is always one that will support the worst president in US History.

*shrugs*

ahoy Forplay,

imma sorry ye hath fared poorly in this competitive economy, matey. yer always welcome to vote fer Newt "amnesty" Gingrich, perhaps things shall work better fer ye if he gains the skipper's chair.

*salutes*

- MeadHallPirate

This may make sense to some of you...

The Grover Norquist tax myth - The Washington Post

Originally Posted by Forplay

Well for the rest of the country Obama is a complete failure, and based on your statement you will be voting for more Obama failure. I guess there is always one that will support the worst president in US History.

Let's see in Bush's last year in office, the economy contracted by 6%. That's negative 6%. Obama immediately turned it around to the positive.

Obama got health care reform passed. I am sure you disagree with reform, but you can't say he failed on that campaign promise.

Obama got America's enemy #1 bin Laden. Something Bush completely took his eye off to drag the country in some idiot war in Iraq.

Ghaddaffi, is now gone, Obama played that smart by not committing our troops.

The Arab Spring began after Obama's speech in Cairo.

Obama restored America's image overseas from the embarrassing, offensive blunders of Bush.


How you consider Obama a failure is beyond me.

Also all the GOP candidates look like the biggest bunch of doofuses, with exception of Ron Paul. Newt is philanderer which makes him a hypocrite to conservative values. Romney is the most polished, but his own party will not rally behind. The GOP is looking unorganized and desperate.

And for all the whining and hyperbole the right has done, it's gonna be pretty funny when the GOP loses in 2012.

I doubt if any of those repub canidates really want the job. They know in their hearts that this current economic model of theirs is gonna lead to a real deal class war, which will leave the repub party in ashes soon enough. Who wants to go down with a sinking ship? No sir, the end times of this party can almost be seen from here, but they need to get back into full power beforet he people will finally see these treasonous bastards for what they really are. I think this is inevitable given what undoubtbly lies ahead for millions of average americans. Once the unemployment runs out, and it will, and you have millions with no money for food or shelter, and kids start going hungry, people will quickly forget these high principles of the Cons, and desert them in droves, to turn on them shortly thereafter. You guys just don't have a clue, which is peculiarly a conservative thing. This La La Land you guys inhabit will in the end destroy the ideology. I say good riddance. Reality has to be eventually addressed in a real, workable and meaningful way.

Shouldn't Republicans be focusing on things like why businesses with record profits and record cash on hand and a relatively low tax rate are not doing their part in the "trickle down" economic model? If I had told millions of people that tax cuts to the wealthy would lead to reinvestment in the economy I'd make sure that those wealthy individuals did their part of the bargain. Instead Republicans are more than happy to set up an economic model where the common people are regularly fleeced and robbed.

Originally Posted by AjaxPress

Shouldn't Republicans be focusing on things like why businesses with record profits and record cash on hand and a relatively low tax rate are not doing their part in the "trickle down" economic model? If I had told millions of people that tax cuts to the wealthy would lead to reinvestment in the economy I'd make sure that those wealthy individuals did their part of the bargain. Instead Republicans are more than happy to set up an economic model where the common people are regularly fleeced and robbed.

Yep....

What's funny, or sad, is 7 years after the Bush tax cuts, the economy contracted massively. And we did not grow ourselves out of debt.

So the supply siders were completely wrong. That's just a clearly observable fact. But the GOP keeps pushing that agenda. Like it didn't work, so let's get more tax cuts and let the debt get even bigger.

I understand high income earners supporting it as it benefits them in the short term. But all these middle class Republicans?

Originally Posted by Jihad4Beer

Yep....

What's funny, or sad, is 7 years after the Bush tax cuts, the economy contracted massively. And we did not grow ourselves out of debt.

So the supply siders were completely wrong. That's just a clearly observable fact. But the GOP keeps pushing that agenda. Like it didn't work, so let's get more tax cuts and let the debt get even bigger.

I understand high income earners supporting it as it benefits them in the short term. But all these middle class Republicans?

ahoy Jihad4Beer,

aye mate, that bolded bit always kinda confuses me.

i can understand that super wealthy doin' whats in thar own best (immediate) interest...thats human nature and part'n parcel with our culture here in our great and bountiful land.

in terms 'o the GOP middle class supportin' these policies, i think it comes down to a few philosophical points;

1) they believe that they too shall be ferociously wealthy one day.

2) they believe that, in principle, taxation be just wrong, fer its theft.

3) they venerate the wealthy...the super rich be thar gods, and they dare not rally around policy that would estrange thar dieties.

4) they believe that since the wealthy create jobs, the wealthy must not be bruised by taxes.

5) they have a negative pavlovian response to anythin' a democrat might champion. ie- the Affordable Care Act be good when Nixon supports the concept, or when the Heritage Foundation publishes an approvin' paper on the policy, or when the GOP supported it as an alternative to Hillarycare or when Mr. Romney puts the plan into effect, and when Mr. Obama arrives late to the party and throws his weight behind it, then it become a bad idear.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by Jihad4Beer

Yep....

What's funny, or sad, is 7 years after the Bush tax cuts, the economy contracted massively. And we did not grow ourselves out of debt.

So the supply siders were completely wrong. That's just a clearly observable fact. But the GOP keeps pushing that agenda. Like it didn't work, so let's get more tax cuts and let the debt get even bigger.

I understand high income earners supporting it as it benefits them in the short term. But all these middle class Republicans?

So where did those 7 years of pretty substantial growth come from? Magic beans?

[QUOTE=MeadHallPirate;2007962]ahoy Jihad4Beer,

aye mate, that bolded bit always kinda confuses me.

i can understand that super wealthy doin' whats in thar own best (immediate) interest...thats human nature and part'n parcel with our culture here in our great and bountiful land.

in terms 'o the GOP middle class supportin' these policies, i think it comes down to a few philosophical points;

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

1) they believe that they too shall be ferociously wealthy one day.

It's possible, requires hard work and some luck. Beats hell out of the liberal way, which is to wait around and do nothing and miraculously someday will give it to you.

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

2) they believe that, in principle, taxation be just wrong, fer its theft.

You mean it's not?

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

3) they venerate the wealthy...the super rich be thar gods, and they dare not rally around policy that would estrange thar dieties.

No, they're not gods. The only gods we see on capital hill are the gods of power. Those gods are jealous gods and will not brook competition.

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

4) they believe that since the wealthy create jobs, the wealthy must not be bruised by taxes.

You don't like jobs?

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

5) they have a negative pavlovian response to anythin' a democrat might champion. ie- the Affordable Care Act be good when Nixon supports the concept, or when the Heritage Foundation publishes an approvin' paper on the policy, or when the GOP supported it as an alternative to Hillarycare or when Mr. Romney puts the plan into effect, and when Mr. Obama arrives late to the party and throws his weight behind it, then it become a bad idear.

Because Democratic ideas are stupid for the most part? Republican ones aren't much better to be sure.

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy Jihad4Beer,

aye mate, that bolded bit always kinda confuses me.

i can understand that super wealthy doin' whats in thar own best (immediate) interest...thats human nature and part'n parcel with our culture here in our great and bountiful land.

in terms 'o the GOP middle class supportin' these policies, i think it comes down to a few philosophical points;

1) they believe that they too shall be ferociously wealthy one day.

2) they believe that, in principle, taxation be just wrong, fer its theft.

3) they venerate the wealthy...the super rich be thar gods, and they dare not rally around policy that would estrange thar dieties.

4) they believe that since the wealthy create jobs, the wealthy must not be bruised by taxes.

5) they have a negative pavlovian response to anythin' a democrat might champion. ie- the Affordable Care Act be good when Nixon supports the concept, or when the Heritage Foundation publishes an approvin' paper on the policy, or when the GOP supported it as an alternative to Hillarycare or when Mr. Romney puts the plan into effect, and when Mr. Obama arrives late to the party and throws his weight behind it, then it become a bad idear.

- MeadHallPirate

Ahoy Meadhall Pirate.

Yes, those seem to be the usual talking points.

I want to comment on a couple:

Regarding #2, One of my old school friends who has become a big conservative says taxes are stealing and cites the 10 commandments. Well I prepared his tax return for him, and between his modest income and his wife and 3 kids totaling 5 exemptions, deducations and credits and such, he paid no income taxes. I find it odd that he is one of the 47% who pay no taxes and yet he rails against taxes and sides with those who often rail against people like himself.

Re: #4, that often repeated talking point is just not even true. On an income statement, Wages and Salaries are an expense from total revenue to derive net income, which then leads to taxable income on the 1040. So how much tax one pays on their taxable income does not take away from money available to pay employees. It's just manipulation to frame it that way.

Cheers,

Originally Posted by 9aces

So where did those 7 years of pretty substantial growth come from? Magic beans?

The economy grew because it was in what economists call a growth cycle which is due to many various factors.