Thread: Obama asserts executive privilege to hide Fast & Furious documents

Originally Posted by Jasper

And idiot liberals will give him a pass.

To idiot liberals, lies from the President are fine if that President also happens to be an idiot liberal, which is clearly the case here.

Let's watch the idiots defend him.

He could blow the family dog on the white house lawn and the idiot liberals would not only give him a pass, they'd his right to blow the animal.

Originally Posted by uncleray

The Fast And Furious program was started under Bush and continued under Obama.

No it was not. Gunrunner was not Fast and Furious.

Originally Posted by uncleray

Even though Issa was given thousands of pages of documents regarding this issue
he requested a great deal more.

Issa was given thousands of pages, but not of anything he actually requested. As someone else put it, Issa asked for the warranty information on his car and got handed the warranty on a dishwasher.

Originally Posted by uncleray

To which the Justice Department offered a summary
of the additional information.

Were they asked for a summary? No, they were asked for the original docs. They were obligated to provide original docs. End of story.

Originally Posted by uncleray

This appears to be nothing more than an election season Witch Hunt.

I would agree that you might have a point if this hadn't started a lot sooner than election year.

Originally Posted by uncleray

Bush invoked Exec Privilege on 6 Occasions----some for pretty weak reasons.

All of them in completely unrelated and justifiable issues in which Bush was being directly addressed. In this case, someone who has never seen the documents is claiming executive privilege....bit of a stretch, no?

Originally Posted by uncleray

Executive privilege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Knew what it meant. Thanks though.

Originally Posted by uncleray

Just my 0.02

And not even worth that much...

Originally Posted by uncleray

ps: My advise to Mr. Issa is that Mick Jagger was right "You can't always get what you want!"

My advice to you - jagger's quote does not apply. Issa has every legal authority to ask for and receive the information. Producing it is not optional.

Originally Posted by uncleray

I miss the Stones!

Perhaps you should miss being stoned instead...

Originally Posted by uncleray

The Fast And Furious program was started under Bush and continued under Obama.
Even though Issa was given thousands of pages of documents regarding this issue
he requested a great deal more. To which the Justice Department offered a summary
of the additional information.
This appears to be nothing more than an election season Witch Hunt.
Bush invoked Exec Privilege on 6 Occasions----some for pretty weak reasons.

Executive privilege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just my 0.02

ps: My advise to Mr. Issa is that Mick Jagger was right "You can't always get what you want!"
I miss the Stones!

So it was ok when Bush used executive privledge? Heres a examination of the idea that FF was started under Bush. It wasnt.

Fast & Furious Was . . . Bush’s Fault - By Andrew C. McCarthy - The Corner - National Review Online

The key to their strategy is conflating two very different programs: Operation Fast & Furious and a Bush era ATF initiative known as “Operation Wide Receiver.” In the questions from Judiciary Committee Democrats (principally, Senators Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer — there may have been others but, again, I didn’t see the entire hearing), it emerged that Wide Receiver began in 2006, when Alberto Gonzales was the Bush administration attorney general. Senator Schumer took pains to describe Wide Receiver as involving the “tracing” of firearms that crossed into Mexico. As we shall see, Wide Receiver’s notion of tracing was night-and-day different from the tracing involved in the reckless gun-walking approach employed by Fast & Furious. Obviously, however, Democrats hope that if they get enough help from their friends in the media, the public will miss the distinction.

This most interesting issue here for me is the idea that congress doesnt have access to ALL documentation regarding anything going on with govt. Even classified info, congress has access to. They simply have certain committees for it.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

Just more of the soap opera antics. From both sides. I can see non stop Fox news coverage today, as I watch it as I write. Kraut Hammer is on now, or as I call him, Deputy Dog. He reminds me of my fav cartoon character. Or was that Goofy? I get em confused.

maybe this is more your kind of forum then:
Cartoons you might find another funny quadriplegic character there.

Originally Posted by chassisman

He could blow the family dog on the white house lawn and the idiot liberals would not only give him a pass, they'd his right to blow the animal.

He's already admitted that he's eaten it.

Originally Posted by Damn Yankee

He's already admitted that he's eaten it.

What a bizarre comment.

Heres as thorough a article as youll get on the constitutionality of claiming executive priveledge. Im not sure I agree that even a thing exists. Rather, it only exists, because the court said its implied from the 'seperation of powers' which itself is implied. Neither seperation of powers or executive privledge is written in the constitution. So, I think congress would be liekly to win a case vs the Exec challenging whether the exec can withold information about the DOJ from congress.

Fast And Furious: Executive Privilege Is Illegitimate to Shield Wrongdoing

As Holder surely knew all these past months, there is no privilege that exists between Congress and the executive branch to withhold documents except the constitutional executive privilege, which is based on the separation of powers. For example, the attorney-client privilege does not exist between Congress and the executive branch because they have the same client—the American people. Holder also knew that executive privilege does not attach to documents automatically. It can be asserted only by the President or with his direct approval. It can be waived; indeed it should be waived in many or most instances when Congress needs the information for its legislative functions. So the slated House committee vote to hold Holder in contempt today was unfortunately necessary to get him to at least reconsider his lawless course of stonewalling.

Originally Posted by Jasper

What a bizarre comment.

Not really but it could be considered somewhat obscure.

Obama did admit to eating dog in his autobiography.

Not all that surprised by this development. Issa seems well prepared to get this to a full House floor vote one way or another no matter how much Holder goes to Obama for a shield. A new (err... revived, revisited, whatever) campaign issue?

What kind of dirt does Holder have on The Obama to have him claim executive privilege to attempt to save him from resigning?

Originally Posted by Damn Yankee

What kind of dirt does Holder have on The Obama to have him claim executive privilege to attempt to save him from resigning?

I don't think that's the case.

I think the documents have some very clear and unambiguous language saying something like "We'll use this as an excuse to institute more gun control"

Originally Posted by Damn Yankee

When all else fails, attack the messenger. Good job!

If one side was blameless, over indulging in the same sort of crap, this would actually mean something. Until the republicans are clean as whistles, dating back to Nixon, I see this as nothing more than DC soap opera.

You know damn will this is politics, and if you do not, god help you.

Originally Posted by HonorsDaddy

I don't think that's the case.

I think the documents have some very clear and unambiguous language saying something like "We'll use this as an excuse to institute more gun control"

You mean The Obama was involved in this?

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Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

If one side was blameless, over indulging in the same sort of crap, this would actually mean something. Until the republicans are clean as whistles, dating back to Nixon, I see this as nothing more than DC soap opera.

You know damn will this is politics, and if you do not, god help you.

Hold on, the "you too" defense has already been claimed, as I pointed out previously.