Thread: Obama asserts executive privilege to hide Fast & Furious documents

House Oversight Committee Votes To Hold Eric Holder In Contempt Of Congress

The House Government Oversight and Reform Committee has voted to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress by a 23-17 vote.

Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) announced that they will bring the contempt resolution to a vote in the full House next week unless Holder hands over the documents regarding Operation Fast and Furious.

Surprised that there is no thread on this. Rumor has it that Boehner and Cantor don't like what Issa is doing because it makes it seem like the GOP are overreaching. To be honest I haven't really paid much attention to this until today. It was kind of a Drudge Report / Fox news thing. I don't think anything will come of it and I don't think it will hurt Obama's poll numbers one iota.

There is a thread right here!

BTW - It was really amusing to listen to this whole thing. The process was along the lines of -

Congressman R - "We need to hold people accountable for this kind of thing"

Congressman D - "Will the gentleman yield some of his time?"

C R - "I will yield"

C D - "Thank you. This is Bush's fault"

C R - "Reclaiming my time. No it isn't. The AG has withheld 10's of thousands of documents we requested"

It went something like that for 5 fucking hours!

It is absolutely amazing to listen to these proceedings. The parliamentary procedure just makes every discussion sound surreal especially when everyone is essentially calling everyone else a liar.

Originally Posted by Danny

House Oversight Committee Votes To Hold Eric Holder In Contempt Of Congress



Surprised that there is no thread on this. Rumor has it that Boehner and Cantor don't like what Issa is doing because it makes it seem like the GOP are overreaching. To be honest I haven't really paid much attention to this until today. It was kind of a Drudge Report / Fox news thing. I don't think anything will come of it and I don't think it will hurt Obama's poll numbers one iota.

So, Danny, how do you feel about Obama's flip-flop on executive privilege? See the video in this thread.

Matt

Liberals are oblivious to data showing hypocrisy in their beliefs, assertions and double standards. It's sorta baked in the cake.

Originally Posted by Danny

House Oversight Committee Votes To Hold Eric Holder In Contempt Of Congress



Surprised that there is no thread on this. Rumor has it that Boehner and Cantor don't like what Issa is doing because it makes it seem like the GOP are overreaching. To be honest I haven't really paid much attention to this until today. It was kind of a Drudge Report / Fox news thing. I don't think anything will come of it and I don't think it will hurt Obama's poll numbers one iota.

Translation: its not on MSNBC so it's not real.

Originally Posted by Danny

House Oversight Committee Votes To Hold Eric Holder In Contempt Of Congress



Surprised that there is no thread on this. Rumor has it that Boehner and Cantor don't like what Issa is doing because it makes it seem like the GOP are overreaching. To be honest I haven't really paid much attention to this until today. It was kind of a Drudge Report / Fox news thing. I don't think anything will come of it and I don't think it will hurt Obama's poll numbers one iota.

You are probably right about it not hurting Obama. If he walked down the street kicking babies and pissing on invalids 45% of the population will still vote for him and I suspect that Romney will glom onto this about as much as McCain glommed onto Jeremiah Wright (not at all!).

Originally Posted by lutherf

You are probably right about it not hurting Obama. If he walked down the street kicking babies and pissing on invalids 45% of the population will still vote for him and I suspect that Romney will glom onto this about as much as McCain glommed onto Jeremiah Wright (not at all!).

This makes Watergate look like a cakewalk--we have people dead on this gun walking. If it was really a matter of executive privilege--then Obama should have done it immediately--and not wait until the last second and after a 17 month investigation. There's definitely something up with this. Executive privilege just like Watergate cannot be used for a coverup.

Not one weapon had a GPS installed?

Originally Posted by MattInFla

Any Obama supporters remember the "most open and transparent in history" pledge? Feel used and lied to yet?

Isn't it curious that all of a sudden, as Holder is on the brink of contempt charges, President Obama feels the urge to assert privilege on these documents?

Curious, no? Makes one wonder he is trying to hide now...

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Originally Posted by MattInFla

So, Danny, how do you feel about Obama's flip-flop on executive privilege? See the video in this thread.

Matt

I think Danny is probably in hiding right now---

Originally Posted by lutherf

There is a thread right here!

Well let's ask the obvious question here. Who's STUPID enough to deliver 2000 semi-automatic weapons to Mexican drug cartels?

No one is--including the ATF under the direction of Eric Holder--that is (without a hidden agenda.)

I can clearly remember Obama standing at the border--saying that Americans were selling guns to Mexican drug cartels. Well it turns out his own ATF was doing that. None of these guns had any TRACKING devices on them--so why would Obama & Eric Holder do that?

Was the plan to talk about all these DEAD BODIES in Mexico--so they could assault the 2nd amendment to the U.S. Constitution? But it blew up in their faces when 3 ATF whistle blowers started talking.

Is this why Eric Holder ADMITTED that if these documents that he didn't release--were released it would get very embarrassing for this administration.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

Not one weapon had a GPS installed?

I don't think they did, but this program was so FUBAR that it would not have mattered. It is well documented that field agents watched guns being smuggled across the border, but were expressly forbidden from interdicting the smuggling and arresting the smugglers. It isn't that the ATF could not find these guns before they left the country, but rather that a decision was made high up in the ATF (or even higher in the administration) to deliberately let them go.

As for executive privilege, my understanding is that it only applies when the President gets advice from counsel or his administration members. Which means that President Obama was aware of the program. That means that the Attorney General lied under oath before Congress, and that the President lied to us (I know, big surprise).

Matt

Originally Posted by funthea

You know your sig line is out of context?
Obama 2008: "If you don't have any fresh ideas, you use stale tactics to scare the voters" - YouTube

He was referring to what his opponents said about him.


Don't get me wrong, I not sticking up for Obamer, just trying to keep it accurate. There are plenty of things that piece of shit has said that should keep the "thinking people" from voting him another term.

Its accurate. Its just ironic because its exactly what hes doing.