Thread: Senate GOP Filibusters Tax Relief to Small Businesses

The bill will be passed, the filibuster was over a procedural matter. Republicans want to be able to propose amendments, Democrats don't want that. Also, they just voted to begin debate two days ago, they aren't even supposed to be passing bills without three days for the public to look at it.

Originally Posted by adaher

The bill will be passed, the filibuster was over a procedural matter. Republicans want to be able to propose amendments, Democrats don't want that. Also, they just voted to begin debate two days ago, they aren't even supposed to be passing bills without three days for the public to look at it.

Amendments? Like what amendments? They could not just vote yes for something they love, tax breaks? I smell something here, in those amendments. What else do they want to add? And if what they want to add is not liked by the dems, then this is dead. Political games instead of doing something good for the nation in these bad times. Some old shit.

This is a Tax Revenue bill. This is a grandstand by Democrats as the Senate cannot Constitutionally pass a Revenue bill. If this was the House it would be Constitutional.

Just another liberal/left distortion of reality AND in the case of the Senate Democrats an UnConstitutional action.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

Amendments? Like what amendments? They could not just vote yes for something they love, tax breaks? I smell something here, in those amendments. What else do they want to add? And if what they want to add is not liked by the dems, then this is dead. Political games instead of doing something good for the nation in these bad times. Some old shit.

Even if amendments are used for political games, the opposing party is supposed to be allowed to call for votes on them. The real problem is that Reid fears he can't hold his caucus together, that the end product would be more to the GOP's liking than the Democrats'. Heck, he feared that when he had 60 Democrats, he fears it even more with only 53.

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Originally Posted by Wlessard

This is a Tax Revenue bill. This is a grandstand by Democrats as the Senate cannot Constitutionally pass a Revenue bill. If this was the House it would be Constitutional.

Just another liberal/left distortion of reality AND in the case of the Senate Democrats an UnConstitutional action.

Yeah, there's that too, but Reid doesn't let the Constitution stop him from originating revenue bills.

Originally Posted by adaher

Even if amendments are used for political games, the opposing party is supposed to be allowed to call for votes on them. The real problem is that Reid fears he can't hold his caucus together, that the end product would be more to the GOP's liking than the Democrats'. Heck, he feared that when he had 60 Democrats, he fears it even more with only 53.

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Yeah, there's that too, but Reid doesn't let the Constitution stop him from originating revenue bills.

Ok. But hell, we need for congress to do things to help job creation. This was a chance to do it, and even the repubs generally would agree to it. But it seems to me that they would rather add amendments designed to turn off the dems, so that nothing gets done. Another attempt at not allowing obama to sign anything to help the jobless rate. Or, the same stuff the repubs have been doing for damn near 4 years.

Do ya think that one of the amendments could possible involve making the bush tax cuts permanent? Or something else along these lines that the pubs know the dems would not vote for? If so, this is just another proof the pubs really don't care about the economy, as much as they care about hurting obama. That may be the way DC runs, but it pisses me off.

Originally Posted by Wlessard

This is a Tax Revenue bill. This is a grandstand by Democrats as the Senate cannot Constitutionally pass a Revenue bill. If this was the House it would be Constitutional.

Just another liberal/left distortion of reality AND in the case of the Senate Democrats an UnConstitutional action.

How does it raise taxes?
This is about tax credits and that is considered spending.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

Amendments? Like what amendments? They could not just vote yes for something they love, tax breaks? I smell something here, in those amendments. What else do they want to add? And if what they want to add is not liked by the dems, then this is dead. Political games instead of doing something good for the nation in these bad times. Some old shit.

Right, if there isn't something in there assaulting women's health care, they'll say the Democrats didn't let them make their amendments, and the whole thing will die.

I'd be highly surprised to see this pass before the election, which is a goddamn shame.

We desperately need a post-partisan era where stuff like this can actually get passed again, the games are ridiculous and I'm fed up with Mitch McConnell. It's about more than just party.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

Ok. But hell, we need for congress to do things to help job creation. This was a chance to do it, and even the repubs generally would agree to it. But it seems to me that they would rather add amendments designed to turn off the dems, so that nothing gets done. Another attempt at not allowing obama to sign anything to help the jobless rate. Or, the same stuff the repubs have been doing for damn near 4 years.

Do ya think that one of the amendments could possible involve making the bush tax cuts permanent? Or something else along these lines that the pubs know the dems would not vote for? If so, this is just another proof the pubs really don't care about the economy, as much as they care about hurting obama. That may be the way DC runs, but it pisses me off.

Well, an amendment to make the Bush tax cuts permanent would pass the Senate if Democrats didn't filibuster. There are easily 52-55 votes for it. WHich is why Reid can't allow amendments. Reid is trying to stop democracy.

The bill will pass, and it will pass soon. THe only question is who blinks first.

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Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

We desperately need a post-partisan era where stuff like this can actually get passed again, the games are ridiculous and I'm fed up with Mitch McConnell. It's about more than just party.

This isn't about McConnell, it's about Harry Reid not wanting to bring things up for a vote that would pass. He doesn't actually have a working majority and he knows it. The Republicans do. Which is why Reid has spent the last two years making sure almost nothing comes up for a vote except what he personally wants to see do so.

The GOP + Blue Dogs control about 55 seats. That coalition should be allowed to legislate.

Originally Posted by adaher

Well, an amendment to make the Bush tax cuts permanent would pass the Senate if Democrats didn't filibuster. There are easily 52-55 votes for it. WHich is why Reid can't allow amendments. Reid is trying to stop democracy.

The bill will pass, and it will pass soon. THe only question is who blinks first.

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This isn't about McConnell, it's about Harry Reid not wanting to bring things up for a vote that would pass. He doesn't actually have a working majority and he knows it. The Republicans do. Which is why Reid has spent the last two years making sure almost nothing comes up for a vote except what he personally wants to see do so.

The GOP + Blue Dogs control about 55 seats. That coalition should be allowed to legislate.

I hope the bill passes, but I hope making the tax breaks on the rich is not made permanent.

Having lost half of our manufacturing and the wages stagnant for the middle for the last 20 years, means we will be burdened with social safety net spending going into the future. And this has to be paid for by taxes. We are in times that reflect what globalization has done to not only us but europe and japan as well, as the MNC Virtual States have arose.

Since there is no economic sector here to stimulate any longer we have to plan on taking care of displaced workers until we can try to fix what globalization wrought upon this nation of working people. And you do not do that by lowering taxes. Lowering taxes, given our economic model today will not create any substantial jobs. I think most people who know what is going on, are very aware of this. Yet the democratic bill we are discussing will show this, IMO, and it will be a failed tax break if they are expecting it to make a dent in the 14 per cent jobless rate. So, let em do it, in order to learn tax breaks are fruitless with this new economic model we find ourselves with. Then we can tax like we need to, in order to keep some folks from becoming a part of the generational poor.

The old tricks of adjusting tax rate to stimulate no longer work. That changed when the economic model changed. And as time goes by, you will see I am a genius, but it's really nothing more than common sense.

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

Right, if there isn't something in there assaulting women's health care, they'll say the Democrats didn't let them make their amendments, and the whole thing will die.

I'd be highly surprised to see this pass before the election, which is a goddamn shame.

We desperately need a post-partisan era where stuff like this can actually get passed again, the games are ridiculous and I'm fed up with Mitch McConnell. It's about more than just party.

You don't want post-partisan. You want only Democratic party ideas and bills to be passed with Republicans doing nothing more than rubber stamping them.

Or have you forgotten The Senate has not voted on a single budget sent to them by the house in 2 years, nor just about any other bill the house has sent them.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

Ok. But hell, we need for congress to do things to help job creation. This was a chance to do it, and even the repubs generally would agree to it. But it seems to me that they would rather add amendments designed to turn off the dems, so that nothing gets done. Another attempt at not allowing obama to sign anything to help the jobless rate. Or, the same stuff the repubs have been doing for damn near 4 years.

Do ya think that one of the amendments could possible involve making the bush tax cuts permanent? Or something else along these lines that the pubs know the dems would not vote for? If so, this is just another proof the pubs really don't care about the economy, as much as they care about hurting obama. That may be the way DC runs, but it pisses me off.

There is a procedure to follow written into the rules of the Senate. You have Reid who ignores the rules of the Senate whenever he likes.

He, like you is deathly afraid of allowing amendments introduced. God forbid something like an amendment to vote on the budget sent them by the house gets put in there.

Reid fills up the amendment tree to get around the rules. There really should be a law against lawyers serving in Congress.

Originally Posted by adaher

Reid fills up the amendment tree to get around the rules. There really should be a law against lawyers serving in Congress.

I'd agree with that. Seems to smack of some sort of conflict of interest somehow. Make legislation that you'll know full well will end up in the courts, perhaps with even you benefiting from the legal expenses to either fight or support the legislation that you yourself wrote.