Thread: Democrats threaten to go over ‘fiscal cliff’ if GOP fails to raise taxes

Originally Posted by OldmanDan

Democrats threaten to go over ‘fiscal cliff’ if GOP fails to raise taxes - The Washington Post

Democrats are a one trick pony. Raising taxes is the only thing they know and their answer to every problem. More taxes, bigger government, more control over the citizenry. The problem is, no matter how much of our hard earned money we send them, they will spend all of it and then some.

So will the Republicans

Originally Posted by wooyarn

So will the Republicans

The current group of Republicans we have in office right now have proposed some serious cuts in spending. The Democrats in the Senate refuse to even debate them.
Democrats have not passed a budget since Obama's first year in office. One of the primary responsibilities of Congress.

The dems and republicans are like two drunks arguing over a bar bill on the Titanic.

Originally Posted by OldmanDan

Democrats threaten to go over ‘fiscal cliff’ if GOP fails to raise taxes - The Washington Post

Democrats are a one trick pony. Raising taxes is the only thing they know and their answer to every problem. More taxes, bigger government, more control over the citizenry. The problem is, no matter how much of our hard earned money we send them, they will spend all of it and then some.

Seem like a winner for the GOP. All they have to do is pass a bill making the current tax code permanent. When the Senate wont pass it and taxes go up, GOP wins. Every time the GOP has held their ground, theyve won, because they are right. Heck, if the Dems want to argue the 'cost' of the high income rate extension, all GOP have to do is propose cuts equal to the 'cost'.

Originally Posted by OldmanDan

Democrats threaten to go over ‘fiscal cliff’ if GOP fails to raise taxes - The Washington Post

Democrats are a one trick pony. Raising taxes is the only thing they know and their answer to every problem. More taxes, bigger government, more control over the citizenry. The problem is, no matter how much of our hard earned money we send them, they will spend all of it and then some.

The nation is run by special interests. It is an oligarchy. The mess today is because of this oligarchy. The proof lies in the distribution of the economic pie.

Most people are just too worried about what sort of underwear obama and romney wear, or involved in these tribalistic bickering, to even pay attention.

The fear should be from even greater and greater abuse of the people by banking and big business. The gov't should be your least worry. They answer to the people at some point. Business answers to no man. As long as they write the rules. You like your commie made widgets too much.

Originally Posted by OldmanDan

The current group of Republicans we have in office right now have proposed some serious cuts in spending. The Democrats in the Senate refuse to even debate them.
Democrats have not passed a budget since Obama's first year in office. One of the primary responsibilities of Congress.

No, they haven't. Save for Ron Paul, they've only proposed cuts in spending increases. Those can hardly be considered "serious cuts in spending", let alone "SERIOUS".

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

The nation is run by special interests. It is an oligarchy. The mess today is because of this oligarchy. The proof lies in the distribution of the economic pie.

Most people are just too worried about what sort of underwear obama and romney wear, or involved in these tribalistic bickering, to even pay attention.

The fear should be from even greater and greater abuse of the people by banking and big business. The gov't should be your least worry. They answer to the people at some point. Business answers to no man. As long as they write the rules. You like your commie made widgets too much.

The nation is run by the people you and I vote for and elect. It is as much your fault and my fault. People get the government they deserve.

Originally Posted by OldmanDan

The nation is run by the people you and I vote for and elect. It is as much your fault and my fault. People get the government they deserve.

I voted for Perot and later on Nader. I did not vote for the very people who sold us out to banking and big business, you did. At any rate, the entrenched two party system, two sides of the same coin, really doesn't give americans much of a choice does it? The entire system, which includes the propaganda arms of each party, insures that we are never given real choices.

The system is rigged to keep the oligarchy alive and well, and growing.

Shit. We sailed over the waterall a while ago. We just haven't hit the rocks yet, and while we fall our political leaders are busily re-arranging the deck chairs.

Originally Posted by MattInFla

Shit. We sailed over the waterall a while ago. We just haven't hit the rocks yet, and while we fall our political leaders are busily re-arranging the deck chairs.

We share the same views, but for different reasons, I think. Although I am sure we do agree on the debt issue. It cannot continue to grow, as there is no full employment on the other side to get it back in control. This is the first time in my life time, over 60's years, that we have been in such an insane position in regards to employment and debt.

This jobless rate, which cannot improve given what caused it, will wreak havoc upon national debt! Sure, if the repubs get in this year, win the oval office, take the senate, keep the house, they may cut into entitlements in a big way, but at what cost socially? We have not seen the likes of what will follow, IMO. Ben Stein said it would be greece except worse. I have been reading a bit on the great depression, and what the jobless rates caused, as they stayed with us. It causes all sorts of problems. Problems that we have never seen. We either keep growing the debt or we gear up for massive social unrest. Those are the only two viable choices, IMO.

Originally Posted by OldmanDan

Democrats threaten to go over ‘fiscal cliff’ if GOP fails to raise taxes - The Washington Post

Democrats are a one trick pony. Raising taxes is the only thing they know and their answer to every problem. More taxes, bigger government, more control over the citizenry. The problem is, no matter how much of our hard earned money we send them, they will spend all of it and then some.

They have gotten into a habit of doing that, spending all of it, and then some. Even the Bush years saw the Republicans acting like Democrats. Remember that?

But these times we are in today are untenable. We have lost half of our industrial base, which has left millions here, many middle class workers jobless, on social safety nets, and there is not a hope in hell that these people will ever be employed again with a living wage job. When these millions of taxpayers lost their jobs, they no longer pay in taxes, which drives up debt. Less tax revenues from millions of workers, increased safety net spending equals a atomic explosion in debt, not to mention the stimulus spending, the wars, the bailouts, the maintaining of the Bush stupid ass tax cuts that did nothing to create jobs. Except in commmunist china and india.

So now we find ourselves in quite the mess, with no easy solutions to be had. There are no clean paths to take out of this grand mess, and whether it is a dem path or a repub path, both paths are filled with deep potholes and a helluva lot of deep mud, and the destination is way over the horizon. And the destination looks to be a run down, worn out town with alot of jobless folks loitering on the streets. With expensive luxury cars coming from mansions on the hills, of a people who are billionaires from exploiting poor people overseas for the cheap labor, and who bought the american consumer market for the price of campaign contributions.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

They have gotten into a habit of doing that, spending all of it, and then some. Even the Bush years saw the Republicans acting like Democrats. Remember that?

But these times we are in today are untenable. We have lost half of our industrial base, which has left millions here, many middle class workers jobless, on social safety nets, and there is not a hope in hell that these people will ever be employed again with a living wage job. When these millions of taxpayers lost their jobs, they no longer pay in taxes, which drives up debt. Less tax revenues from millions of workers, increased safety net spending equals a atomic explosion in debt, not to mention the stimulus spending, the wars, the bailouts, the maintaining of the Bush stupid ass tax cuts that did nothing to create jobs. Except in commmunist china and india.

So now we find ourselves in quite the mess, with no easy solutions to be had. There are no clean paths to take out of this grand mess, and whether it is a dem path or a repub path, both paths are filled with deep potholes and a helluva lot of deep mud, and the destination is way over the horizon. And the destination looks to be a run down, worn out town with alot of jobless folks loitering on the streets. With expensive luxury cars coming from mansions on the hills, of a people who are billionaires from exploiting poor people overseas for the cheap labor, and who bought the american consumer market for the price of campaign contributions.

You vastly overestimate the number of extremely wealthy people out there and the total of their wealth. You could talk all they have and run the government for about 8 months.

So let me get this straight: The Dems are essentially saying "Give us what we want or we'll choke the taxpayer" and those who support the Democratic Party think this is acceptable? I'm sorry but there's a point at which you're putting party loyalty ahead of common sense. Every Democrat in the country should be calling their representatives and saying, in no uncertain terms, that no, they don't get to play chicken with the public's money anymore.