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Secretary of State
In two-term president Obama's second Innaugural Address, he said this:
Paul Ryan, cranky that the nation favored the Kenyan over him and his pal Mitt, reacted this way:We, the people, still believe that every citizen deserves a basic measure of security and dignity. We must make the hard choices to reduce the cost of health care and the size of our deficit. But we reject the belief that America must choose between caring for the generation that built this country and investing in the generation that will build its future. For we remember the lessons of our past, when twilight years were spent in poverty, and parents of a child with a disability had nowhere to turn. We do not believe that in this country, freedom is reserved for the lucky, or happiness for the few. We recognize that no matter how responsibly we live our lives, any one of us, at any time, may face a job loss, or a sudden illness, or a home swept away in a terrible storm. The commitments we make to each other – through Medicare, and Medicaid, and Social Security – these things do not sap our initiative; they strengthen us. They do not make us a nation of takers; they free us to take the risks that make this country great.
No one? Really? "No one would suggest that whatsoever?"No one is suggesting that what we call our earned entitlements — entitlements you pay for, like payroll taxes for Medicare and Social Security — are putting you in a ‘taker’ category. No one would suggest that whatsoever.
Not ever, never, ever, never, whatsoever and hope to die?
Here's Lyin' Ryan, a few short years ago:
And of course we all remember his pal the Mittster being caught unawares on video tape whining along with his rich donors how put upon the upper class is by the "47 percenters."Right now about 60 percent of the American people get more benefits in dollar value from the federal government than they pay back in taxes. So we’re going to a majority of takers versus makers.
As Paul Krugman observes:
If you’re a Randian conservative, as Ryan claims to be, then you should consider Social Security and Medicare every bit as much a part of the moocher conspiracy as Medicaid and food stamps. And don’t say that you pay for what you get: Social Security benefits aren’t proportional to payment, so that the system is somewhat redistributionist, and Medicare benefits don’t depend at all on how much you pay in, so that the system is strongly redistributionist. (You might even say that Medicare takes from each according to his ability, and gives to each according to his needs).
All of this is fine with me, but it should be anathema to Ryan. But he knows that Social Security and Medicare are popular, so he pretends that his radical philosophy has nothing bad to say about these programs, and that we can massively downsize government on the backs of the undeserving poor.
Moderator
Mother Jones and Paul Krugman as fact checkers?
Too much...
Meanwhile party hacks like you showed their total lack of class by booing Paul Ryan at the inauguration.
Paul Ryan Booed By Inauguration Crowd
And then people wonder why people can't work together... like you here... every 10 minutes some far left loon, in Washington, is talking trash to our guys. It never ends...
Secretary of State
Onward we march into the abyss.Originally Posted by jpn
How well will the average Social Security recipient fare when his or her monthly check buys a dozen eggs?
Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add "within the limits of the law" because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Isaac H Tiffany (1819)
Vice President
Hmmmm....it's interesting that you made an entire thread about Paul Ryan lying about something and then you failed to demonstrate how he lied. The quote you used made no reference to Social Security or Medicaid/Medicare.
Btw, Krugman is a Keynesian and even Keynes didn't believe his model was viable, by his own words. See my signature below.
Last edited by fishjoel; 01-23-2013 at 08:08 PM.
"The long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead." - John Maynard Keynes (admits his philosophy is not viable)
Vice President
Other than Medicare, what IS a major Federal benefit?
You should always have an informed opinion, so after I inform you, please feel free to express my opinion...USCitizen
Secretary of State
Ok, so JPN does not like or agree with Paul Ryan. No real shock, there are probably many "fact checkers" he can use for future drive by threads.
- Frustrated Independent
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
"Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people.” - Penn Jillette amazingly enough, and I agree.
President
Ryan i feel was speaking more about the benifits that obama has dangled in front of the masses... 3+ years of unemployment, food stamps and free phones. additionally i always interpreted it not to be a bash on people... it was a bash on the president's overall plan that he has doubled down on... "I will give you candy if you vote for me"..... and that wouldnt it be nice to have a country where people are not dependent on the government for their subsistence...
Since the Obama Administration is hacking and monitoring everything and everybody. IRS/FBI I did not vote for Obama , I did contribute to Romney and I do criticize the administration. AUDIT AWAY!
Secretary of Defense
Twisted and tortured though it is, there MUST be a pony in a pile of shiite that big: Let's see what'cha got, there, big fella:
O.K., Ryan was taking aim at those who take from the government. Unfortunately, it is only in your fantasy that he said anything about social security or medicare but, hey, if it's real to you, it must necessarily be real to the rest of us. As you go, so goes the world,...
Also in your fantasy that he was attacking SS and Medicare recipients instead of the lazy, uninformed, welfare recipient who sits on his butt all day long collecting his freebies that Obama keeps extending.And of course we all remember his pal the Mittster being caught unawares on video tape whining along with his rich donors how put upon the upper class is by the "47 percenters."
Krugman offers and opinion about what you should think ... he mentions Paul Ryan in the expression of his opinion but, as with your opinion, Krugman's statement doesn't define Ryan (or anyone) for the rest of the world.As Paul Krugman observes:
The secret of successful managing is to keep the five guys who hate you away from the four guys who haven't made up their minds. -Casey Stengel
Secretary of State
Ladies, Gentlemen, and Conservatives, I give you...
Jon Stewart.
Hear those people laughing? They're laughing at the meager excuses made by you conservatives above.
Do you have the guts to watch it through to the end?
Doubt it.
Last edited by jpn; 01-25-2013 at 07:00 PM.
Moderator
They can laugh until the takers take all there is to take and the makers have no more to give. Then they won't be laughing so hard.
The modern Liberal is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. OMD
Secretary of State
What do you think about lyin' Paul Ryan using Social Security to help pay his way through college? Should we vote "takers" like that into public office? Aren't we just rewarding them for theirm mootching?
President
you defend your point with a comedy channel pundit? wow
Since the Obama Administration is hacking and monitoring everything and everybody. IRS/FBI I did not vote for Obama , I did contribute to Romney and I do criticize the administration. AUDIT AWAY!
Secretary of Defense
Got the guts, son: What I lack is the desire.
BTW, Stewart is PAID to make people laugh: Even he acknowledges he's an entertainer.
The secret of successful managing is to keep the five guys who hate you away from the four guys who haven't made up their minds. -Casey Stengel
Moderator
Last I knew, we could vote anyone we want into office, even those who run gay brothels in their basement, those who drive their girlfriends off bridges and those who have sex in the Oval Office.
The modern Liberal is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. OMD
President
Even those who frequent brothels, even those who suck off strangers in public toilets.....
We are also free to reject who we want to reject, like "gordon gecko clones"
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