Iamwhatiseem a racist? - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

iamwhatiseem · #1 (**permalink**) 04-28-2007

I have been asked to make this a thread on it's own.

Black as Coal - point blank calls me a racist.

Here are the comments in their entirety:

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Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

The innocence project is a wonderful thing.
Too bad to see it dragged and tainted by playing the race card...again..and again.

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Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal

The good news is that you don't count.

They have a plethora of statistical information that you can't touch, can't argue with, have no counter evidence whatsoever.

That's the good news.

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Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

{a little testy from being told I don't count}
What's good news?
That black people kill each other on a daily basis?
That blacks have went from "Black Pride", "Brotherly Love" to calling women bitches and hoes, glorifying destructive behavior and have committed themselves to anti-social behavior?
That per capita murder rates - blacks commit murder 7 times that of whites?
That black teenage girls are three times as likely to get pregnant that white teens?
That 70% of all black children are born out-of-wedlock?

Any more statistics you care to discuss?

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Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal

Yeah, the statistics that are germaine to this issue, not your racist expressions, none of which have the slightest thing to do with locking up innocent people.

I don't engage in sterotypical mudslinging that's usually reserved for assholes, and your better-than-tho rant won't hardly take me there. Suffice it to say that America is a violent drug-induced nation and every community in America has its own set of problems .. including yours, whoever and whatever the fuck you are.

African-Americans have been relatively, sort of free for a total of 41 years out of an existence of almost 400 years in this nation. Problems linger, often because too many of us have given up on a system that targets us for incarceration. The Justice System is more like the Just-Us System. By every statistic and every measure the vast majority of drug users, sellers, and importers in America are not black, they are white. Whether you're using statistics from the DEA, FBI, CIA, State Police Agencies, or Barney Fife, the statistics tell the same story. In fact, African-American drug use is lower than our portion of the population.

However, none of that is reflected in prison population. Amnesty International, the Innocence Project, and other agencies who study this strange phenomenom, report that while whites get probation for the exact same crime an African-American is accused of, the black person is sent to prison .. same crime.

I don't expect you to understand any of this and frankly I don't care. There is no point in engaging in a drawn out discussion about race and crime with something like you, however I'd have no problem having that discussion with a human.

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Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

Exactly what I expected.
You can't deal with, or come to term with facts - so you instead rant, rave, distort and insult.

Here is a little insight for you:

Slavery ended 142 years ago.
After that, pure racism ranging from worst - murder and torture, to best - whites believing in race superiority, who banned slavery but practiced 100% white exclusivity and black exclusion in all societal and employment opportunities - this continued for about 100 years.
Enter the "Civil Rights Movement" - when honorable, brave and amazing black leaders brought to light and revealed an ugliness in the American culture that everyone knew of and participated in directly or indirectly...true racism.

After this - racism has steadily declined. With each passing year racism is dying, with each passing year the speed at which it is dying is faster.

White people put black people at a clear disadvantage.
However - Black people are keeping themselves there.

Through an unbelievable lack of accountability, victimization, crime and anti-social glorification...Jesus Christ man you think your descendants would be proud at where the black culture has come to??!!! - a culture that openly insults women, makes heroes out of thugs, refuses to come to terms that mabye, just mabye some of this shit we're living in is of our OWN making??

Well, thank God that there were black leaders of old, who through self-sacrifice and untiring dedication to improve the race - did just that, because of them more and more and more blacks are attaining the "American dream"

Too bad they are all gone - replaced by self-serving sharltons dedicated to their own pockets.

I am anything but a racist, I am white - my wife is not. You don't know me - it seems you have fallen into the same trap created for you.

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Originally Posted by Eglaelin

Namaste,

To: BlackasCoal -

Regarding the highlighted phrases. I think you need to examine your own conceptions in this regard. Your logic is in abeyance on this subject and needs to be explored in greater detail. The secret to progress is to treat each person as a great treasure even if you don't agree with their perceptions. A person, no matter how we feel about them, should never be treated as a thing.

In Peace,
Eglaelin

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Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

I am truly disappointed in BAC's comments.
Unfortunately he seems to consume the concept he is fed - if a non-black even so much as questions or insinuates even the slightest - that there is something wrong with what the black culture has become..is automatically a racist and to be hated.

As I said - he does not know me..if he did he would be ashamed of what he has said here. It is both irresponsible and hypocritical to act this way - no different than red-neck ignorance.

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Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

I rest my case.

Everyone - Black as Coal says I am a racist...surprise!

For those of you who know me...that's laughable...as I said I am white, my wife is not.

If I was racist...then I am a racist against my own children.

Classic.

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

BlackasCoal - Isn't the very core of racism the position that others are somehow less than human?

Isn't that the exact thing you have said about the other poster?

Matt

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Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

Many of you might remember when WEB and I went down this same path.
He made the same ridiculous accusations early on, but then he was man enough to admit he was wrong, and our discussions on racial issues improved after that.

Racism is, without argument, the beam in America's eye.
It is the scar that taints an otherwise promising and flourishing society.

I consider REAL racism one of the worst human traits - therefore I do NOT take being called one lightly.
Heros such as MLK, Thurgood Marshal, Jackie Robinson and others took on racism and won!!!
Today, they have been replaced by wolves in sheep clothing - the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton who do not fight against racism, but fight instead to keep it alive so they can continue to line their pockets.

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Originally Posted by Angry American

Ain't that the truth.

Sorry for the wise crack; it was spur of the moment.

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Originally Posted by BlackasCoal

You are correct, and I apologize for my remarks, however, I saw this coming and I still find his comment inappropriate and not germaine to this converstaion. If he wanted to express what he thinks is wrong with black culture then he should start a thread called "Aren't black people fucked up".

I wouldn't read it but at least he'd be on topic.

Again, I apologize for my anger, but why is your admonition about respect only one sided?

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Originally Posted by BlackasCoal

{after apologizing above}
What gives you the right to determine what is best for black people and to judge Jackson and Sharpton who were on the front line of the struggle for freedom? Whenever issues of race occur in this country, those who stepped over the line go running to Jackson and Sharpton. Sharpton did not ask Imus to come on his show, Imus went looking for him, Jackson didn't ask Kramer to come looking for him, he did it himself .. why? .. because they know that Jackson and Sharpton, are conduits to the black community. They didn't go looking for Colin Powell or Rice, or JC Watts, or Bill Cosby, because they are not conduits to the black community.

And what in the fuck does any of that have to do with innocent people going to jail?

There are aboiut 12-14 issues of concern highlighted by the Innocence Project that need be addressed by the Justice System, but you right away jumped on race as if you know better than those who have studied the issue.

The Innocence Project has worked dilligently to free innocent people who have been convicted of crimes they did not commit, but somehow in your arrogance, YOU know better than they do. They have detailed studies and real world examples of what they're talikng about, but somehow YOU know better.

You have ruined what started out to be a great converstaion about an important issue in America today by jumping in with your racist bullshit.

There is no intellectual honesty in you, just racism, and you don't care about what discussion you fuck up with it.

Im started this thread but I'm out of it as much as I'd like to continue converstaion about the topic. I have no stomach for you and save the crap about respect for true "black heroes" which is nothing but a lie and cover for your idiocy.

You are indeed what you seem.

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Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

Apology not accepted.
Why? - you apologize, then immediately return to the same insults and innuendos.
You don't seem to understand the gist of an apology..to regret..and stop.

So let's break this down....

1) List one, just one remark I have made that is racist.
2) Show one example of "intellectual dishonesty" - do you know what that means? - Show where I have made a statement I know to be false.
3) Why do I not have the right to comment on the black community as you say?
4) Why do I not have the right to speak against black leadership? - because I am not black?...you wanna elaborate on that?

You are embarrassing yourself.
You are way out of your league.

Rakkasan · #2 (**permalink**) 04-28-2007

IMO Black As Coal has a problem with race

iamwhatiseem · #3 (**permalink**) 04-28-2007

Many of you already know...many of you do not:
A little background - I am white, my wife is not.
So if I am "racist" - I am racist against my own children.

Imperator · #4 (**permalink**) 04-28-2007

Pointing out that for instance black on black crime is a pandemic, is a sure to get you labeled as a racist.... well, by comparative analysis, they appear to commit more crimes..sad but true........you will also be labeled as well for pointing out contradictions...

Sharpton will not apologize for his race baiting, but Imus must.....a fair minded person would brand them all as the same part of the same parcel...you see, somehow, they are entitled to this exemption it appears...somehow I don’t think MLK would agree.....

its also curious to me that I am sure there were white people released due to projects like this as well, but we have concentrated on African Americans, one could have included them all, anyone, in jail for a crime they didn’t commit is tragic........but alas..I will now be labeled a racist as well.....

to late though, Samantha has already had that honor...

iamwhatiseem · #5 (**permalink**) 04-28-2007

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Originally Posted by Imperator

Pointing out that for instance black on black crime is a pandemic, is a sure to get you labeled as a racist.... well, by comparative analysis, they appear to commit more crimes..sad but true........you will also be labeled as well for pointing out contradictions...

Sharpton will not apologize for his race baiting, but Imus must.....a fair minded person would brand them all as the same part of the same parcel...you see, somehow, they are entitled to this exemption it appears...somehow I don’t think MLK would agree.....

its also curious to me that I am sure there were white people released due to projects like this as well, but we have concentrated on African Americans, one could have included them all, anyone, in jail for a crime they didn’t commit is tragic........but alas..I will now be labeled a racist as well.....

to late though, Samantha has already had that honor...

It is tragic.

To me racism comes down to two things
1) Exclusivity
2) Exclusion

Whereby one race member considers itself "exclusive" to one thing or many things, and then of course exclusion of other race(s) follows.

I would hope we are past races considering they are above criticism by the other, and lashes out hatred at the mere hint of it - which is EXACTLY what white on black racism was many years ago.

It is no different.

conformfailure · #6 (**permalink**) 04-28-2007

Wow, white people debating with themselves if they're racist. I wonder how that will turn out....

I wonder if sharpton's name comes up, or maybe Jackso... oh too late! It's already been said already....

Crystal · #7 (**permalink**) 04-28-2007

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Originally Posted by blackascoal

...because they know that Jackson and Sharpton, are conduits to the black community. They didn't go looking for Colin Powell or Rice, or JC Watts, or Bill Cosby, because they are not conduits to the black community.

Why aren't Colin Powell, Rice, JC Watts, or Bill Cosby conduits to the black community?

jotathought · #8 (**permalink**) 04-28-2007

If I get called a racist, bigot, faggot, etc by someone on here .. who cares? Why get your panties in a bind over some anonymous, Internet personality?

Crystal · #9 (**permalink**) 04-28-2007

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Originally Posted by conformfailure

Wow, white people debating with themselves if they're racist. I wonder how that will turn out....

I wonder if sharpton's name comes up, or maybe Jackso... oh too late! It's already been said already....

Do you think Sharpton and Jackson are good for the black community? Why or why not?

partofme · #10 (**permalink**) 04-28-2007

I honestly can't stand it when anybody brings up race on a daily basis. While many people do tend to cry racism as a effective way of making others look bad when they know good and well it doesn't apply it seems that the people the complain about such things are also always complaining about the "race card" when it doesn't concern them. I always hear people talk about how it is not fair that they can't say things like the n word when it is said by black people all the time and I wonder why it concerns them so much anyway. I do not complain about not being able to use the n word because I have no desire to use it and feel it just doesn't really concern me. The fact that people have to point this out on such a regular basis shows that they are as obsessed with race as those they are complaining about. Maybe it is because I am still under 30 but most people I talk to that didn't live through the civil rights era just do not get as worked up about such things.

Crystal · #11 (**permalink**) 04-28-2007

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Originally Posted by partofme

I honestly can't stand it when anybody brings up race on a daily basis. While many people do tend to cry racism as a effective way of making others look bad when they know good and well it doesn't apply it seems that the people the complain about such things are also always complaining about the "race card" when it doesn't concern them. I always hear people talk about how it is not fair that they can't say things like the n word when it is said by black people all the time and I wonder why it concerns them so much anyway. I do not complain about not being able to use the n word because I have no desire to use it and feel it just doesn't really concern me. The fact that people have to point this out on such a regular basis shows that they are as obsessed with race as those they are complaining about. Maybe it is because I am still under 30 but most people I talk to that didn't live through the civil rights era just do not get as worked up about such things.

Is it a desire to use the N-word or is it just pointing out hypocrisy? How damaging is hypocrisy?

I do applaud Sharpton and others for wanting to remain consistant (coming out against Imus and now coming out against the language of the black community). This report doesn't mention it but Shaprton decided against presenting LA Reid with an award because Reid's artists use derogatory terms. Maybe they are catching up to what Bill Cosby was saying back in 2004.

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Stop using all this bad language, says hip-hop pioneer
Yesterday, he called for a voluntary ban on the three words he considers the most unacceptable, and among the most common, describing "bitch", "ho" and "nigger" as "extreme curse words" that were inconsistent with any sense of social responsibility by rap artists or their record companies.

"The words 'bitch' and 'ho' are utterly derogatory and disrespectful of the painful, hurtful, misogyny that, in particular, African American women have experienced in the United States," Simmons' organisation, the Hip-Hop Summit Action Network, said in a statement.

"The word 'nigger' is a racially derogatory term that disrespects the pain, suffering, history of racial oppression and multiple forms of racism against African Americans and other people of colour," it added.

conformfailure · #12 (**permalink**) 04-28-2007

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Originally Posted by Crystal

Do you think Sharpton and Jackson are good for the black community? Why or why not?

Yes, I do think they are good for the Black community.

I was thinking about your earlier post asking why others are not conduits for the Black community and I think it's largely because they chose not to be.

Hypothetically, if people like Powell and Rice did become conduits for the Black community they would be treated the same way as Sharpton and Jackson. You'd really have to step back and ask why are Sharpton and Jackson always attacked?

When you look at polls of the Black community, most of it is all in line with what Jackson and Sharpton advocate. So the point here is that Jackson and Sharpton abide by the will of the Black community.

The reason why I elaborate on this is because I was thinking of Sharpton and Jackson as liabilities. You know... with these guys that have so much baggage on them, why use them to represent the will of the Black community?

Then I started to watch the debate more closely and I found out why Sharpton and Jackson are still spokespersons for the Black community. When I would watch the issue being debated out by other Black community leaders, the same line of arguments would come up. All you do is watch Hannity tell them that the Black community isn't really outraged at all.

So you ask yourself, what would happen if Jackson and Sharpton are not at the forefront of racial issues, what then? Well, their replacements would also be attacked as hypocrites. It would be more of the same with different faces.

You have to understand the context and crux of each side. One side demands respect through equality. The other side doesn't want the other side to have a voice. I didn't have to label that, you know who's who.

That's something you'll have to recognize. Sharpton and Jackson are not being attacked because they are Sharpton and Jackson, they are being attacked because they are conduits for the Black community. On this board, as evidence, you saw the other side not only attack Jackson and Sharpton, but also the Basketball players themselves for being agenda pushers. Even their coach was accused of doing something treacherous by pushing an "agenda" on T.V. for all to see. True comments - all here on this board.

So when I look at it objectively, I saw not only Jackson or Sharpton being attacked, but anyone that dares to speak out the outrage coming from the Black community. The objective isn't to shun Jackson or Sharpton for whatever reason they throw at them, but to silence the voice from the Black community.

So that's why I support Jackson and Sharpton. They have been strong to fight against any slam that comes at them for being conduits for the Black community. They refuse to be silent. Opposition doesn't want to silence the voice of Sharpton and Jackson, they want to silence the voice of the Black community.

MattLarson · #13 (**permalink**) 04-28-2007

So, CF, do you think everyone should just ignore the fact that Sharpton publicly and falsely accused someone of a heinous crime?

Doesn't that make Sharpton a poor choice of spokesman? Would it make him a poor choice if he were white and the man he falsely accused were black?

Matt

Rakkasan · #14 (**permalink**) 04-28-2007

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Originally Posted by MattLarson

So, CF, do you think everyone should just ignore the fact that Sharpton publicly and falsely accused someone of a heinous crime?

Doesn't that make Sharpton a poor choice of spokesman? Would it make him a poor choice if he were white and the man he falsely accused were black?
Matt

YOU ARE DAMN SKIPPY HE WOULD BE

CDavidNeely · #15 (**permalink**) 04-28-2007

Namaste,

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Why aren't Colin Powell, Rice, JC Watts, or Bill Cosby conduits to the black community?

First, let me say that this is in no way an attack on anyone's position.

The truth is that considering one set of people, no matter who, as representative of a whole race is symptomatic of the continuing problem. Are Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, JC Watts, Bill Cosby, Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson conduits to the black community. Yes. They are. They are simply conduits to different aspects of the black community.
The problem is treating an entire community, no matter how small or large, as a whole and then choosing a small group as representative of the entire thing. This is generalization that is just as damaging as any other. No single person can represent a vast c