Visit the U.S. Politics Online Discussion Forum Archives!

Sponsored by:

U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum  

Bookmark Us! E-Mail DONATE NOW! Photo Gallery Document Archives Quiz! Register to Vote!!!
Go Back   U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum > Issue Politics > Culture & Media Issues
Register Blogs FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Culture & Media Issues Media, Culture, Art

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31 (permalink)  
Old 07-12-2007
pramjockey's Avatar
pramjockey pramjockey is offline
OMG!
Scruffy-looking nerf herder

 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: Morrison, CO
Posts: 14,521

Scotland     Colorado

Re: Media reporting on Military Recruiting

Well, in a time of war, it is news when the military (all-volunteer, of course) is struggling to find recruits.
__________________
When they come a wull staun ma groon
Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears
Reply With Quote
  #32 (permalink)  
Old 07-13-2007
jviehe's Avatar
jviehe jviehe is offline
President

 
Member Since: Jan 2004
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Posts: 11,949

United_States    
Re: Media reporting on Military Recruiting

Quote:
Originally Posted by pramjockey View Post
Well, in a time of war, it is news when the military (all-volunteer, of course) is struggling to find recruits.
Except they arent. As the story mentions, the goals were met the last 10 out of 12 months, and the last 3 years in a row. But 2 months of not meeting goals, and its a "struggle" all of a sudden. The military has consistenly recruited over 100,000 every single year since the war began. Many of which are soldiers who stayed on after having seen battle.
__________________
http://www.fairtax.org

Elminate all taxes on income and replace with a national sales tax.
Reply With Quote
  #33 (permalink)  
Old 07-13-2007
Americano Americano is offline
Secretary of State

 
Member Since: Feb 2007
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 5,661

   
Re: Media reporting on Military Recruiting

Quote:
Originally Posted by jviehe View Post
Except they arent. As the story mentions, the goals were met the last 10 out of 12 months, and the last 3 years in a row. But 2 months of not meeting goals, and its a "struggle" all of a sudden. The military has consistenly recruited over 100,000 every single year since the war began. Many of which are soldiers who stayed on after having seen battle.
That's .03% of the population or .07% of the work force . Even missing a month says a lot about the lack of desirability of that job.
Reply With Quote
  #34 (permalink)  
Old 07-13-2007
AjaxPress's Avatar
AjaxPress AjaxPress is offline
Secretary of State

 
Member Since: Aug 2006
Location: Reno, NV
Posts: 4,567

United_States     Ethiopia

Re: Media reporting on Military Recruiting

Quote:
Originally Posted by jviehe View Post
Except they arent. As the story mentions, the goals were met the last 10 out of 12 months, and the last 3 years in a row. But 2 months of not meeting goals, and its a "struggle" all of a sudden. The military has consistenly recruited over 100,000 every single year since the war began. Many of which are soldiers who stayed on after having seen battle.
It's always been a struggle. You forget to mention that the military has more recruiters than ever and the enlistment bonuses have never been higher and people are still shunning the job.
__________________
Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004
Reply With Quote
  #35 (permalink)  
Old 07-13-2007
Americano Americano is offline
Secretary of State

 
Member Since: Feb 2007
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 5,661

   
Re: Media reporting on Military Recruiting

Quote:
Originally Posted by AjaxPress View Post
It's always been a struggle. You forget to mention that the military has more recruiters than ever and the enlistment bonuses have never been higher and people are still shunning the job.
Can you imagine a private entity offering someone with a GED, no skills and perhaps a police record a $20k signing bonus, pay above the private sector, full benefits and a free college education? And still being unable to get the bodies they need?
Reply With Quote
  #36 (permalink)  
Old 07-13-2007
jviehe's Avatar
jviehe jviehe is offline
President

 
Member Since: Jan 2004
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Posts: 11,949

United_States    
Re: Media reporting on Military Recruiting

Quote:
Originally Posted by AjaxPress View Post
It's always been a struggle. You forget to mention that the military has more recruiters than ever and the enlistment bonuses have never been higher and people are still shunning the job.
Except they arent. Over 100,000 are volunteering every year.
__________________
http://www.fairtax.org

Elminate all taxes on income and replace with a national sales tax.
Reply With Quote
  #37 (permalink)  
Old 07-13-2007
wooyarn wooyarn is offline
Speaker of the House

 
Member Since: Jan 2007
Location: Retired
Posts: 861

United_States    
Re: Media reporting on Military Recruiting

Quote:
Originally Posted by jviehe View Post
Except they arent. Over 100,000 are volunteering every year.
Where are you getting this number?
Reply With Quote
  #38 (permalink)  
Old 07-13-2007
Americano Americano is offline
Secretary of State

 
Member Since: Feb 2007
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 5,661

   
Re: Media reporting on Military Recruiting

In 2006 the US army took in 69,395 new recruits.

Of those recruits 8,129, 12%, were accepted with moral waivers (criminal records).

12,313, 18%, were accepted with medical waivers for afflictions such as asthma, high blood pressure and attention deficit disorder.

8,328, 12%, were unable to pass the category IV army aptitude tests which were waived.

Not exactly the cream of any crop, but without those waivers army recruitment would have fell far short of goals.
Reply With Quote
  #39 (permalink)  
Old 07-13-2007
jviehe's Avatar
jviehe jviehe is offline
President

 
Member Since: Jan 2004
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Posts: 11,949

United_States    
Re: Media reporting on Military Recruiting

Quote:
Originally Posted by wooyarn View Post
Where are you getting this number?
Look in the OP. The military recruits about 15k every month, the reserve about 12k. Not mention retaining about 50k. My number is low if anything. Not sure where americano got his numbers. It doesnt mesh with the official numbers.
__________________
http://www.fairtax.org

Elminate all taxes on income and replace with a national sales tax.
Reply With Quote
  #40 (permalink)  
Old 07-13-2007
Americano Americano is offline
Secretary of State

 
Member Since: Feb 2007
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 5,661

   
Re: Media reporting on Military Recruiting

Quote:
Originally Posted by jviehe View Post
Look in the OP. The military recruits about 15k every month, the reserve about 12k. Not mention retaining about 50k. My number is low if anything. Not sure where americano got his numbers. It doesnt mesh with the official numbers.
Low? Your numbers are far off the mark. 80,000 is the annual army recruitment goal for 10-1-2006 through 9-30-2007.

Year-end recruit goal in reach, but not easy - Military News, Army News, opinions, editorials, news from Iraq, photos, reports - Army Times
Reply With Quote
  #41 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2007
offspring13 offspring13 is offline
County Executive

 
Member Since: Apr 2006
Location: U.S.A.
Posts: 326

   
Re: Media reporting on Military Recruiting

Quote:
Originally Posted by jviehe
Trashing the military that is just taking orders does not help. Face it, Bush is in charge and the majority electors made it that way.
Our soldiers are not mindless automatons. They chose to go to Iraq, ordered or not.
Reply With Quote
  #42 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2007
Americano Americano is offline
Secretary of State

 
Member Since: Feb 2007
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 5,661

   
Re: Media reporting on Military Recruiting

Quote:
Originally Posted by offspring13 View Post
Our soldiers are not mindless automatons. They chose to go to Iraq, ordered or not.
Considering the percentages of waived qualifications that's debatable.
Reply With Quote
  #43 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2007
AjaxPress's Avatar
AjaxPress AjaxPress is offline
Secretary of State

 
Member Since: Aug 2006
Location: Reno, NV
Posts: 4,567

United_States     Ethiopia

Re: Media reporting on Military Recruiting

Quote:
Originally Posted by Americano View Post
Low? Your numbers are far off the mark. 80,000 is the annual army recruitment goal for 10-1-2006 through 9-30-2007.

Year-end recruit goal in reach, but not easy - Military News, Army News, opinions, editorials, news from Iraq, photos, reports - Army Times
Anything that contradicts a conservative has a liberal slant. Haven't you heard about reality's liberal bias?
__________________
Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004
Reply With Quote
  #44 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2007
jviehe's Avatar
jviehe jviehe is offline
President

 
Member Since: Jan 2004
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Posts: 11,949

United_States    
Re: Media reporting on Military Recruiting

Quote:
Originally Posted by AjaxPress View Post
Anything that contradicts a conservative has a liberal slant. Haven't you heard about reality's liberal bias?
Maybe you guys should get a room.
__________________
http://www.fairtax.org

Elminate all taxes on income and replace with a national sales tax.
Reply With Quote
  #45 (permalink)  
Old 07-14-2007
goober's Avatar
goober goober is offline
President

 
Member Since: Apr 2005
Location: massachusetts
Posts: 10,424

   
Re: Media reporting on Military Recruiting

They still don't have enough to win.
That's the bottom line.
The country, starting with the president, isn't willing to do what's required to win.
__________________
“ The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.”

Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations 1776

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:35 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0 Release Candidate 2
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC6
Copyright © 2000 - 2009 U.S. Politics Online