I would have paid to see it.

I'm not sure what you're problem is tonight and I won't ask.

You and I both know why the have a token right-winger on the show.

It gives them a feeling of legitimacy when they bash the crap out of an isolated right-winger who has no support from anyone else. My guess is they picked her because she isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

I'm really not sure which is worse. Punching the crap out of someone or verbally abusing them. Ether way it's cruel.

I'm not going to assume I know why Hasselback does it. I think she's ready to quit and I wouldn't blame her. Good luck to Barbara Walters trying to get some other sucker to go into that den of snakes.

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There are plenty of bright and feminine women (or women who can talk about daytime TV fare, that is) who could do the job and stand their own with the others. Whether they want that or the show wants that, is another story. We don't know.

By all means, ask. I honestly don't know what you're talking about.Perhaps, but it might be for a little balance.Either way, it's also something you get over quickly. The way I see it, a broken nose will heal (believe me, I've had some practice with that in the bars of Jersey City) and verbal abuse only hurts if you let it.
Come to think of it, I don't think she'd last a week HERE either.I refuse to believe there are no female conservatives out there with the stones to go head-to-head with Whoopi Goldberg.

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For me the words are not important but the context is.

Yeah i'm not doubting what Imus said was stupid but it does show Whoopi is so totally wrong when she says that blacks have taken the word away from whites, they get worked up over way less!

Also in that instance it was another case of picking which minority to victimise the most, the poor "women" who Imus insulted or the poor "blacks" that he laid into.

The difference between the ancestorial rights of whomever the guests were when it came to voting is that the white guest didn't see the need to make an issue out of the past when it came to her ancestor's suffering, seems like race is more of a problem than gender, which was what i meant to get at.

Of those terms above i don't think i had heard of any until now, but i do accept that nigger is probably the most used racial slur ever. However that to me doesn't excuse blacks using the word, and if they have had to change words such as negro and colored, then keeping the use of the word nigga makes even less sense.

Yeah i understand and maybe in that sense my post above was out of line/over the top, but it was ment more as an afront to anyone daring to tell me what i can and cannot say, it'd be like you telling Whoopi never to utter the word Honkey again or something along those lines. While it may be a nice sentiment its hardly anyone's place.

Yeah fair enough, i just don't think there can be that much of a difference in the meaning or interpretation of a single word that for one set of folks it means endearing terms and for others it is the use of a racial slur. If it is unacceptable then, like you said, the context is important. So what about a white guy embracing his homies by calling them his niggas? (He'd spell it niggaz i assume to try and get into the culture). Then what?

See this is where i disagree, while the rest of your post may well make it easier for me to see things from the POV of black folks, this part is something that blacks themselves have endlessly spoken out against. I have heard numerous blacks say the term is unacceptable, that rap lyrics with that sort of language (along with calling women "bitches", a "ho" and other such terms is wrong) and they don't find it all helpful to their cause of fighting for more racial equality, )though only they themselves find it to be lacking). I think i've even heard the biggest race baiters like Sharpton and Jackson say it, and denounce the word. And then we hear the general double talk like Whoopi's where they explain that there are actual "niggers" out there, but she doesn't know any. So its not all that endearing after all...and who is she reffering to? What defines those folks she describes as niggers? Even white folks like Robert Byrd have said he knows "white niggers"...i mean wtf? Is it a term of endearment or not? Or is it selective to whom you say it to? So now it has 3 possible meanings, all totally different/polar opposite etc.

But to put this in a more everyday context, say like with the fat example. Say i made fun of my weight, sure a lot of folks who aren't my weight may laugh but what about someone else who is the same weight? The reason i ask is because the previous post came from POM, and he has spoken about his own concern about his dad's weight and certain comments upsetting him, and that is certainly fair enough, and so not to offend him i try not to say anything too inflamatory about overweight folks. I am very skinny, i don't weigh much and if i said among a group of folks "i'm gonna take my anorexic ass to bed", and there's a person who may have had an eating disorder or very skinny person, how do you think they'd react?

Self depricating humor is one thing (i was kidding about with LS about black folks eating chicken and watermelon, and he even started the thread which was hillarious, and then both making jokes about it, and rather than go bezerk he joined in because he knew i wasn't laughing at him but with him) but sensitivity has to be taken into account. If LS was like CorpmediaSux then i wouldn't have said it, as CMS would have probably thrown a fit and claimed i wanted to bring back slavery and the humor just wouldn't have worked, so if these same blacks like Whoopi have such an issue with the word they maybe shouldn't go touting it as some personal achievement when they themselves use it.

Would you have found Hagee's comments anymore acceptable ifhe was saying it as a Catholic? If he was one doesn't make it anymore acceptable to call the entire church's members the whores of our time does it? While there was no question that was meant as insult i believe he used the word with refference to the use of the word "harlotry" back in biblical times, but the use of the word is still unacceptable, no?

I think this was a multi-select poll and i should have maybe selected the second, as it goes hand in hand with either the third or 4th option, as i think there should be one standard when so much of an issue is made of the damn word. If it was just a simple case of context i would understand by never have i heard a word so villified and harranged whilst still being used by those who find it abominable. I didn't mean to just vote the last option and in some way legitimise the use of the word by everyone, sorry if it came off that way.

Elizabeth Hasselbeck has a compelling presence on that show, especially with the demographic they target.
She is ratings and ratings are money.
Just look at the posted clips, without her there is nothing but nodding heads, all that emotion is compelling, you can't take your eyes off her, you can feel her emotion, and that's entertainment.

As far as who can use the n-word, just about anyone in the proper context. But then again that is true for so many words.

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Its just a word. Anyone can use and they can expect whatever response they get, same as any other word.

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It's really all about context, same as any other word.

Unfortunately the color of one's skin is not an absolute definer in how one uses to learn language. Just because an individual is black does not equate to a well defined history of learning the use of the word and the same for white or any other preconceived ethnic identifier. Language is tied to one's cultural heritage. Considering the wide variety of culture in this nation with no guarantee that one's skin color can determine that upbringing I find this notion of using the word based on one's skin color to be absurd.

Personally I find the reasoning used by Whoopi to be an infantile line of reasoning. It's the same garbage thought process used by extremists of any kind.

edit: However, on a regular basis I just don't use the term, don't care much for it and don't really care much what people are saying to each other outside my presence. If a group of people use the word as a colloquialism amongst themselves....I don't much care. I hear far more disturbing statements every day working in retail. They may not be racially charged terms or phrases but signs of sheer idiocy nonetheless.

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Hasselbeck's problem is that she's just not too bright. Sherri Shephard, of "is the world flat" and "I didn't know there was history before Christ" fame, isn't much better.

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I think there are a ton of them but do you really think Barbara Walters would be honest and fair enough to hire any of them?

Whoopi practices class-warfare and most of her argument is based in nonsensical stereotypes. Her core argument is based on bigotry. It would be very easy to tear her apart on many of her beliefs but I don't think Hasselback is up to the challenge.

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This is a true sign of the Apocolypse.

Fuckin' arguments about "The View "...

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If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all...

It's a slow week I suppose.

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Given the choices of the poll, I voted that both can use it. If a non-black wants to expose himself/herself as a racist asswipe to others who don't use it, they have the freedom to do so.

If a black wants to use it in what they call a term of endearment or whatever to another black, they can do it.

If a black wants to say it to another person, black or not, they can do it.

And, if one wants to use it around another who has politely asked them not to use the word in their presence, then that person can and they reveal to rest of us what asswipes they are.

Freedom of speech has so many advantages.

I don't know the woman so I can't say for sure, but I believe the answer would be no.
I wonder what her audience's political makeup is. I'm guessing it skews left, so she would be expected to have the SHOW lean left as well. TV is absolutely not about what you think, but what money you think you can MAKE, so I figure her personal politics (whatever they may be) goes on the back burner.

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