Ah

It's Friday

Fun with the two "trips" eh

Hubbard was smart. A good writer. That's what I DO know. I also know he would have enjoyed fucking with as many peoples heads as he could get away with. He's done well on both fronts (writing and head games).

Gotta give him credit where it's due. As for his other "habits," nothing could surprise me about Hubbard

Many very intelligent minds also had their sick sides. Plenty of historical examples.

Greetings and Felicitations,

I miswrote. I want you to show me some fact from Michael Savage that I can't find anywhere else and prove to me its a fact.

Sorry, but I'm not going to subject myself to the noise of reading Michael Savage unless you can show me that there is something actually valid there. I don't cuss and I don't call people names therefore I'm highly unlikely to read/listen to someone else do it in order to find something useful.

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

PS. I consider the use of profanity and name-calling to be indicative of an insufficiently developed intellect.

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I can show you (and you can find on your very OWN) plenty of things "from Michael Savage" that are facts and CAN be found somewhere else.

That I CAN "prove to [you] its a fact."

You just won't hear the information he gives us, given to us BY the mainstream news media. Which only serves as proof that the mainstream news media isn't giving us all the facts. For obvious reasons.

As I said, beleive what you want. Keep your blinders on and dismiss as "noise" sources of information that don't tell you exactly what YOU want to hear and/or show your ideas or beleifs to be foolish.

As I also said earlier; "There will ALWAYS be people trying to escape from reality."

and

"People just want to ignore or escape reality. Many many different and creative ways to do that."

As is typical, you're very creative in justifying your "escape from reality." This isn't new :-) Of COURSE one is motivated to justify ones escape. You can listen to drug addicts at NA meetings tell stories of how THEY used to justify their escape. You can listen to alcoholics at AA meetings tell their stories of how THEY used to justify their escapes.

You may or may not come around. That's up to you.

Hey, if I started a conspiracy theory, I'd be pretty proud of myself too.

Hmm I guess my water is full of rat poison. Michael Savage's site just told me so. And the recent oil price spike was the work of speculation financed by one corporation. That's actually an impressive amount of capital leveraging.

Well and good but he was asking you if there were facts Savage provides that *can't* be found elsewhere.

Perhaps you'd see better if you took the blinders off, Cappy.

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--Hunter S. Thompson

You see, this is the problem.

You said............

"Do I think its(the media) run by some super-secret hidden society? No, because there is no evidence that such a group exist."

First of all, go ahead and quote where Captain Trips, or I, said anything about the media being controlled by a super-secret hidden society.

Go ahead.

Quote us.

I am waiting.

I will be waiting forever, since neither of us said any such thing. This is typical of people who have been conditioned by the mass media. Why not just bring up tin foil hats and black helicopters while you are at it, as this what the media does on a regular basis. Conspiracy kooks, whack-jobs, nut-jobs, it is pretty sad when even the media ignores the truth.

This is the problem. While you admit that the "media shapes the minds of the public", you are unable to see that your mind has been "shaped" as well.

You have been conditioned to dismiss any and all conspiracies, no matter how much evidence there is to support any of them.

I would bet you have never throughly researched a single conspiracy/cover up in your entire life.

Not once, not ever.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Anyways, what WAS SAID, is that the CFR/BANKERS/FOUNDATIONS/TRILATERAL COMMISSION does control the media.

NOT 100% CONTROL, but enough control to further the agenda of these organizations.

The rBGH is a great example of how the media is controlled. What happened to Gary Webb is another great example, as is the Tainted Blood Scandal, just to name a few.There are many others. Charles Key, a state representative, was attacked mercilessly by the media for having the audacity to ask for an independent investigation into the OKC bombing.

An independent investigation? (GASP)

How dare he ask for an independent investigation. He must be one of those pinko commies.

There have been many government whistle blowers who risked their careers to try to do the right thing. Many of these people were punished for doing the right thing.

How many government whistle blowers can you name? How many can you name who have risked their careers to try to warn the people of government wrong doing can you name?

I should have to go to NEWSMAX to learn what happened to the Ron Brown whistle blowers, but I do if I want to know the truth.

At least Newsmax hasn't had any so-called journalists admit to making up quotes, like at the NY Times and the USA Today.

While I have little respect left for NEWSMAX, in the early days the site was good.

WND is still a good site, better than ANY MASS MEDIA OUTLET, but that is not saying a whole lot since every mass media outlet SUCKS.

Of course the best media outlet in the US today is the New American, but I doubt you ever bothered to read an issue of that fine magazine.

Of course it is easy to dismiss all conspiracies. After all, this allows you to do nothing INSTEAD OF HAVING TO DO SOME WORK to learn the truth and it also allows you to sit on your ass and feel superior because you have been conditioned by the media to believe that ALL conspiracies are false.

So I agree, the media does shape minds.

You are living proof.

This thread is not about 9/11 and although I believe there are a lot of unanswered questions, this thread is not the place to discuss that topic.

As to L. Ron Hubbard, I could care less about his personal life. The only reason he came up is because of a SINGLE QUOTE from a video. Of course, not a single person here wants to discuss any of the other information from the video, no, let's waste everyone's time talking about L. Ron Hubbard and ignore how almost every powerful person in the media belongs to the CFR.

This is so typical of people who are closed minded.

Let me find one single, tiny part of a piece of information and attack that one, tiny, single piece and simply ignore all the other information.

Man that is annoying.

Any facts can and must be found elsewhere or SOMEwhere. One person doesn't create all the events, news and facts that exist.

The subject matter is the mainstream media omitting facts. This is done for a reason. Which the blinders YOU choose to keep tightly on, prevents you from seeing.

No single person can be required to show facts that can't be found else/SOMEwhere. To expect so is completely silly and ridiculous.

As for who is wearing blinders .... the evidence speaks for itself :-)

No one here is advocating Michael Savage. It was just an example. He could have said Alex Jones, or WND, or RENSE, or NEWSMAX, or a host of other sites where people just dismiss information without even bothering to CONSIDER the possibility that it might be true.

Personally, I don't go to any particular site for information. I simply search the web. THis takes me to many sites, some are better than others, but I have yet to find any sites that are totally worthless.

Heck, even Rush Limbaugh, one of the most biased, opinionated, bootlicking members of the entire mass media has told the WHOLE truth on at least ONE occasion.

"You see, if you amount to anything in Washington these days, it is because you have been plucked or handpicked from an Ivy League school - Harvard, Yale, Kennedy School of Government - you've shown an aptitude to be a good Ivy League type, and so you're plucked so-to-speak, and you are assigned success. You are assigned a certain role in government somewhere, and then your success is monitored and tracked, and you go where the pluckers and the hand pickers can put you." -Radio Talk show Host Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 7th, 1995

So, my question to Rush would be.....

Who are these pickers and pluckers?

Of course he would never give an honest answer, as he is a bootlicking stooge and only tells the whole truth when is pissed off.

Actually your water is filled with poison, at one part to 8 parts per million.

Fluoride is a poison and most of it comes from the smoke stack scrubbers for the fertilizer industry in Tampa.

The fluoride is not pure and contains other toxins as well, even though fluoride is bad enough.

In fact, the scientists union which represents the scientists at the EPA has spoken out against water fluoridation.

A former President of the Canadian Dental Association, who supported water fluoridation his entire life, changed his mind after someone he respected told him to do his OWN RESEARCH and to stop relying on info from the CDA and the ADA.

Ever hear about any of this before?

No?

There are other well respected people who have also spoken out against fluoride, but does the mass media give them fair coverage? Of course not.

IN fact, water fluoridation is a GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW THE MASS MEDIA IS CONTROLLED.

Thanks for bringing it up.

(links available on request)

Greetings and Felicitations,

I just finished watching The Devil's Advocate. It is, after all, one of my favorites. The movie shows you that Lucifer is in charge. A fact well supported by a great number of websites, people, churches and other organizations that are sure they know the real truth. In addition, they all say that we are being mislead by the media down the road to hell. They have facts in their repetoire, too. I think I will just go with that. Does anyone know the number for personnel in Hell?

While spoken while dipping deep in the well of sarcasm you can find just as much justification for their beliefs as any. How do you suppose were supposed to choose which information to follow? Hmmmmmm. I think by applying the eye of critical reasoning and a healthy dose of knowledge filtered through a stringent process of verification.

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

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Religion is based on Faith, not fact.

I would have thought you would know the difference.

Justification is not "evidence."

Evidence, you know, like 102 eyewitnesses seeing something streaking towards TWA 800 and saw it's origin on the horizon before the fuel tank exploded.

you know, evidence that the government suppressed and wouldn't let A SINGLE EYEWITNESS TESTIFY AT THE HEARINGS.

NOT ONE.

The media was complicit in the cover up and the ONLY EYEWITNESS I EVER SAW ON A NEWS CHANNEL was Major Meyer's copilot, Christian Baur.

At first Bauer told the truth.....

PILOT 2: Captain Christian Baur

AVIATION WEEK & SPACE TECHNOLOGY reports that right after the TWA 800 accident, ANG HH-60 helicopter co-pilot Captain Baur told federal officials: "Almost due south, there was a hard white light, like burning pyrotech- nics, in level flight. I was trying to figure out what it was. It was the wrong color for flares. It struck an object coming from the right [TWA 800] and made it explode." [3]

For a longer interview see....

http://ntsb.gov/events/twa800/exhibits/Ex_4A_appN.pdf

EVIDENCE YOU KNOW?

LIKE THIS........

NTSB - TWA800 exhibits on the web

I eventually say Christian Baur on television.

I don't remember the network, it may have been CNN, but it was a major network and Chrisitan Baur TOTALLY CHANGED HIS STORY.

Big surprise.

It was obvious, from his body language, that he was lying on t.v., God I wish I had a copy of that interview. I can't prove it now, but I think his original statements say a lot. If you look at ALL THE EVIDENCE, INCLUDING ALL THE WITNESS STATEMENTS, it becomes obvious, TWA 800 was one of the most obvious coverups in recent history.

A cover up in which the MEDIA WAS COMPLICIT.

So, what evidence to you have to share with us about Satan?

Greetings and Felicitations,

The media and scientist have joined together to keep the truth from you. Gravity Doesn't Exist. Don't be fooled by the brainwashing of the media in combination with scientist. We have the facts.

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

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That makes as much sense as all your other posts in this thread CD

Wow, now that the commodities bubble is begining to collapse, I could make a killing selling tin-foil hats around here!

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