Greetings and Felicitations,

That is the whole point of conspiracy theories, isn't it. They don't make sense. I was just pointing out the kind of crap you have to wade through when you start accepting conspiracy websites as sources of valid information.

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

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Greetings and Felicitations,

A tin-foil hat isn't enough. You need a tin foil office.



Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

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Sure.

And I can tell you that every site YOU refer to is nothing but a conspiracy website too

Then you can dismiss and ignore everything I say and refer to and I can ignore and dismiss everything YOU say and refer to.

Which works exactly as the conspiritors WANT.

Keeps us dumb, divided, ignorant and arguing about things we're both ignoring.

Pointless. Why bother taking part in a website like this if everything you disagree with is only a silly conspiracy theory ?

Are we just paranoid crazy people arguing with other paranoid crazy people ?

A typical response from someone who lets the establishment tell them what to think.

Did you see what website I offered as evidence for the TWA 800 eyewitnesses?

I guess not, since it was the NTSB.

Ever been to the NTSB website?

Obviously not.

Ever been to the NSA archive at GWU?

I WOULD BET 1,000 DOLLARS YOU HAVE NOT SPENT MORE THAN A FEW MINUTES AT THE NSA ARCHIVE AT GWU.

Why would I be willing to risk 1,000 dollars on this?

Is it because I believe I would never have to pay up from a discussion forum?

No.

It is because all closed minded people have one thing in common.

They are so lazy they have never bothered to research a single coverup, or conspiracy.

No, it is much easier to let the establishment tell them what to think, then to actually have to do work and sift through information.

People like you are the enemy of freedom, the enemy of the truth, the reason the USA is heading down the wrong path.

People like you do not deserve freedom, or to be an American.

You allow others to tell you what to think, instead of putting forth a little effort to search for the truth.

I challenge you to list all the topics you have researched.

A challenge that I know will go unanswered.

A challenge that only a person who cares about the truth would answer.

Since you obviously care NOTHING ABOUT THE TRUTH, I KNOW YOU WILL NOT ANSWER MY CHALLENGE.

Wait, let me put this into language you can understand.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa, baaa, baa, ba, baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

lol

Greetings and Felicitations,

As usual you rely on insults. Insults are irrelevant to me. You can call me a sheep because instead of spending hours reading conspiracy sites I prefer to read on science and technology. However, that won't inspire me to turn by back on science and live my life according to the rambles of the paranoid. Sorry, its just not going to happen. Let me introduce you to a couple of sites.

Urban Legends Reference Pages

Fallacies

Foundation for Critical Thinking: Books, Conferences and Academic Resources for Educators and Students.

Scientific method - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Conspiracy Theories - Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum

of course, I can say the same thing about you. I know you won't actually use the websites I provided. I know this because then you would have actual tools to see through the paranoia that surrounds you. I will continue to use logical reasoning and critical thinking to filter the information I allow into my psyche. I will firmly admit to filtering information I allow in. This is the reason that I don't read the bible and it is the reason I don't read conspiracy sites. Neither one is a valid source for data or information.

I am actually enjoying this thread. I have had more laughs from here than from the comedy channel. Of course, that would be if I watched enough TV to justify cable. The gravity thing I found while reading on conspiracy made me laugh so hard I got dizzy.

That brings an interesting point up. I don't watch more than 3 hours of tv a week(Big Bang Theory, Supernatural, and Reaper). I don't listen to talk radio. I don't, in general, listen to the radio (I prefer classical music). The vast majority of my online time is spent on technological and scientific reading (except for playing runescape, here and keeping track of financial and war news). BTW - when it comes to news I pay attention to a limited number of things; oil price, other energy price, ups and downs of global stockmarket numbers, who is invading who, status of global resources, etc.

Where exactly am I getting my Mass Media brainwashing from? Is it coming in by subliminal messaging from the internet itself? Perhaps HAARP is bombarding my house with radiation in order to program me? I don't know. Perhaps you can tell me.

Sincerely yours,
C. David Neely

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Greetings and Felicitations,

What a fine "intellectual" you are.

You make ignoring facts and history seem so .... reasonable

Do so on your own

That is terrific, mind if I use the pic sometime?

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You have been getting your brainwashing all your life, from the moment you began to recognize shapes.

The chief investigator for the Reece committee told us how education policy was taken over by the foundations.

These facts were aslo told to us by the chief council for the Reece committee.

Ever research the Reece committee?

No, of course you haven't.

It's not on your list.

The Reece committee was a CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE to investigate the foundations and their influence on government.

I think anyone capable of logic and reason could estimate the odds of Congress appointing two Conspiracy loons to head such an important committee. Gee, maybe there is some truth to what Dodd and Wormser had to tell us.

Ya think?

Norman Dodd told us.......

Now, finally, we are in a war. Eventually, the war is over, and the Trustees turn their attention, then, to seeing to it that life does not revert in this country to what it was prior to 1914; and they hit upon the idea that in order to prevent that reversion, they must control education in this country. They realized that that is a perfectly tremendous, really stupendous and complex task – much too great for them alone. So they approached the Rockefeller Foundation, with the suggestion that the task be divided between the two of them.

The Carnegie Endowment takes on that aspect of education which is a domestic in its relationship. These two run along in tandem that way, disciplined by a decision – namely, that the answer lies entirely in the changing of the teaching of the history of the United States. They then approached the... five of the then most prominent historians in this country with the proposition that they alter the manner of the teaching of the subject, and they get turned down flatly; so they realized then they must build their own stable of historians, so to speak.

They approach the Guggenheim Foundation, which specializes in Fellowships, and suggest to them that when they locate a relatively young potential historian, will the Guggenheim Foundation give that person a Fellowship, merely on their say-so... and the answer is, they will.

Ultimately, a group of twenty are so assembled, and that becomes the nuclei of the policies which emanate to the American Historical Association. Subsequently, around 1928, the Carnegie Endowment granted to the American Historical Association $400,000 in order to make a study of what the future of this country will probably turn out to be and should be. They came up with a seven-volume set of books, the last volume being a summary and digest of the other six. In the last volume, the answer is as follows:

"The future belongs to the United States..... the future in the United States belongs to collectivism administered with characteristic American efficiency".

And that becomes the policy which is finally picked up and manifests itself in the expression of collectivism all along the line, of which the dividing of this country into regions, using all of the logic which supports the ultimate idea that in order that regional government, in turn, be effective, there must be a new Constitution of the United States.

Rene Wormser told us........

“leads one to the conclusion that there was, indeed, something in the nature of an actual conspiracy among certain leading educators in the United States to bring about socialism through the use of our school systems.” They discovered that the Rockefeller foundation was the primary culprit behind the NEA’s rapidly changing policies and the teaching of socialism in America’s schools/universities. Wormser continued, “A very powerful complex of foundations and allied organizations has developed over the years to exercise a high degree of control over education. Part of this complex, and ultimately responsible for it, are the Rockefeller and Carnegie groups.”

Norman Dodd's quote is from his interview with Griffin.

Rene Wormser's quote is from his book, "Foundations: Their Power and Influence."

So, a thinking person might ask.....

"Tell me oh Norrin Radd how the foundations took control of education policy"?

Well, it helps if you look at all the educational organizations they created.

See........

FOUNDATIONS' CONTROL OF EDUCATION from The E-Files - The Truth About Education

You are free to call the NSA archive a "conspiracy site", but just because you call it that doesn't make it true.

The National Security Archive

The NSA ARCHIVE IS WHERE DECLASSIFIED GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS GET POSTED TO THE INTERNET.

Here is there piece on the Gulf of Tonkin.....

Newly Declassified National Security Agency History Questions Early Vietnam War Communications Intelligence

The evidence presented shows that the 2nd attack never happened at that the government lied, costing 68,000 American lives and many more lives in Viet Nam and the surrounding countries.

Here is the NSA ARCHIVE FOR EAST TIMOR.

It shows how the US government gave Suharto the green light to invade East Timor, with US weapons and kill 100,000-200,000 people.

East Timor Revisited

Two newly declassified documents from the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library, released to the National Security Archive, shed light on the Ford administration’s relationship with President Suharto of Indonesia during 1975. Of special importance is the record of Ford’s and Kissinger’s meeting with Suharto in early December 1975. The document shows that Suharto began the invasion knowing that he had the full approval of the White House. Both of these documents had been released in heavily excised form some years ago, but with Suharto now out of power, and following the collapse of Indonesian control over East Timor, the situation has changed enough that both documents have been released in their entirety.


So, ever been to the NSA archive at GWU?

EVER?

EVEN ONCE?

..

I really must ask why you're wasting so much effort ?

You'll get nowhere and achieve nothing.

Not that I'm discouraging debate and the exchange of information, mind you.

Just that there will always be those that trying to debate/discuss/exchange information with will always be a pointless waste of time. As we've clearly seen here.

If CD has succeeded at nothing else, he's succeeded in getting you to waste time, thought and energy.

You are probably right.

I guess I am naive in hoping that someday I might actually get a closed minded person to give a flying @#$% about the TRUTH.

It seems most people care NOTHING about the truth.

They spit on the truth.

They do not care about any of the crimes the US government has admitted to.

They do not care about any of the whistle blowers who have tried to do the right thing and have been punished for doing what was right.

Why should anyone care about doing the right thing anymore when the majority of the American people don't even care?

I guess I was just hoping that I might be able to get through to this person.

I guess I see him as a typical example of most Americans and I guess I was hoping that if I could get him to pry open his closed mind, that maybe there would be hope for the future of this country.

The only thing wrong with what you just said is that you beleive he is a typical example of most Americans .

I know it does SEEM like that a lot. But remember, the media tells us very little about what is really going on.

In America OR the entire world.

They don't because they don't want us to know certain things either. Keeping us dumbed down serves their own interests.

However, television news watching has gone down. Newspaper buying and reading has gone, and continues to go down.

There ARE many people that realize the truth can now be found at other sources than the "TV" or the "paper."

Don't let a few radicals make you think there are more of them than there are.

I'm too lazy to read the entire thread. What is this truth, to which people are so resistant?

Greetings and Felicitations,

Not until today. It's an interesting site. However, you act likes its supposed to be some great mystery that the government does things we don't know about. Of course, it does. What I deny is that is part of some great conspiracy. If it were then it would show some kind of direction instead of each incarnation pursuing goals that other incarnations had worked against.

You see Norrin Radd I don't deny that things occur that are secretive. The actions of this government in pursuing their own selfish goals has been incredible. The thing that gets me is the abrogation of responsiblity of people like you. Nothing is your fault. Instead it's some conspiracy. In some ways this is like talking to racist. It's not their fault that they have crappy lives. It's the fault of some Jewish conspiracy to take over the world and destroy white people. For you, its some conspiracy seeking to take over education. Unlike some people I don't expect the education system to educate my children or myself. If that were the case I wouldn't force my children to study math and science deeper than the school system does. I know that schools systems are designed to focus on the average student and try to bring the slower students up to average. That is why I make sure to take an active hand in my childrens education and not rely on the system to do it all. But. I don't blame some foundation in New York for it. I blame the local preference for ignorance because thats enough by itself.

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

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It's serving some purpose. I'm open minded on the issue but had never heard of the Reece Committee and will be happy to hear from sources that aren't Alex Jones and others like him.

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During the journey we commonly forget its goal. Almost every profession is chosen as a means to an end but continued as an end in itself. Forgetting our objectives is the most frequent act of stupidity.
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All good socialists have villas in Southern France. That's not the point.
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Very well, then it HAS served a purpose :-)

As long as there are those interested in examining and discussing the issues or points brought up rather than making ridiculous commentary about the sources cited so they can dismiss and/or ignore them and what is said at them.