Why aren't they calling those that are liars...liars? Often times you hear the reporters, pundits and others simply suggest they are "misremembering" or some other light noun, the most they say is "being disingenuous."

Why is the media so reluctant to tell it like it is?

I'm sure you've seen or heard the latest bigotry from The Right, pastor Arnold Conrad's prayer for McCain. If you haven't its essentially a Republican pastor that prayed to his god for America to vote for McCain vs. some other god, possibly Hindu or some other ignorant nonsense.

You can get the story here and a link to the audio here.

I long for the day when we can get the unadulterated truth, other than from Jon Stewart that is.

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"My mother would have said that a woman voting for John McCain
is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders." - Cecile Richards, TX

I hadn't heard anything about that.

Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with someone with a deep religious conviction praying for a particular outcome.

I do find it funny that you felt the need to say he was a "Republican" pastor. I would've guess Protestant, or maybe Episcopalean, but Republican??

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

I didn't expect Steve from USPoliticsOnline.com to see anything wrong with this.

You do agree that there are Republican as well as Democrat Christians right?

Is he not Republican one?

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"My mother would have said that a woman voting for John McCain
is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders." - Cecile Richards, TX

I wonder about this myself sometimes. For example, why doesn't the media call Barack Obama a liar when he runs false ads about Medicare and Socia Security?

FactCheck.org: Scaring Seniors

Lying to the public is what politicians do for a living. Obama is no different.

Matt

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Or how Obama says 100 million families get no tax relief from the McCain plan but only those over 250k are ommitte from his when this independant review published by the WaPo says otherwise ?

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“What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?”

“One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

“The other kills her own food.”

What's wrong with it?

I betcha' Al Sharpton is praying that Obama wins. I don't have a problem with that, either...

I agree that there are Christians who may be either, but they're Christian regardless of their political affiliation, so their political affiliation runs secondary to their faith, and is remarkably unimportant to me...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

I'd give you 1000 bucks if you could provide proof of Sharpton praying for Obama to win.

Seriously.

Only the loons on The Right are that despicable...willing to use religion for political purposes.

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"My mother would have said that a woman voting for John McCain
is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders." - Cecile Richards, TX

Right.

Are you honestly so saive that you believe it doesn't happen on the left?

That's stupid...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

I don't think that's true. Over the years there have been a lot of stories of local churches pushing certain candidates. Or more accurately, pushing AGAINST other candidates.

Every so often you'll see reports on this and the clergy involved swearing this is not the case as they can lose their tax-exempt status if they openly endorse political candidates.

I have no statistics, but in my memory, when I see these stories it's usually Protestant churches involved and often Democrats are endorsed.

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Does the name Jeremiah Wright ring a bell with you?

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Obviously, you're a racist and hateful, and you hate America...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

Well, without endorsing what BF says about the media (I don't see anything wrong with polite language), what's wrong with what the pastor did in that link is not that he prayed for McCain's victory, but that he turned the prayer into some kind of competition between the Christian God and those of other religions.

If you can't see why that's ridiculous, I'll spell it out:

1) If God is real, then He/She/It is One, and there aren't competing deities, just competing understandings; and

2) He tacitly assumes he knows what God's will is, since he doesn't allow for the possibility that God may want Obama to win the election, instead explaining any such victory as the other guy's God being stronger.

There's both a spiritual arrogance and an implied polytheism that doesn't jive with what I know about Christian doctrine at all.

If God is real then why can't there be two of them, or thousands for that matter?

We don't even know if He/She/It/They exist, so how could we possibly state definitively that He/She/It/They have to take some finite form or number?

A common mistake, qualifying God the way he does..

Kinda like presuming to quantify God.

Neither is necessarially "ridiculous". Just an individual interpretation.

You're free to disagree with his assumed communication with God just as I disagree your limiting the number of possible Gods to one.

But I don't think either of you are rediculous for having those beliefs.

Since I don't know a damn thing about God who am I to dictate what you're to believe?

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huh???

100 million families???

see
An Overview of the U.S. Population — Infoplease.com

Well if "God" exists in the Christian/Jewish/Muslim concept of God, then that precludes the existence of other Gods entirely.

I don't happen to believe in any God, but generally the God of the monotheistic religions require by their conceived nature to be lonely in their divinity.

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