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Old 07-03-2009
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Re: Right Wing Extremism

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Even if Rush is wrong about Powell voting for Obama solely based on the fact that Obama is black, that still isn't racist. That's simply his opinion of Powell's motivation. He could say that Powell voted for Obama because he likes purple underwear. It's just his idea of what motivate Powell. If Rush hated Powell and Obama because they were black, that would be racist. You are bastardizing what being a racist really is. Disagreeing with a minority doesn't make you a racist.
I would agree that disagreeing w/a minority doesn't make one a racist. I was only using Rush's own defination of racism, Say, for instance, his comments about Sotomayor. Rush's comments are for the most part indefensible, such as saying Sanford went to Argentina because he thought "the country is going to Hell in......." , so he(Sanford) said "what the Hell". blah blah. Please tell me are you defending Rush or insisting on exact use and definations of words. If it is the latter, I'll certainly accept it, I only ask that you hold both sides to the same standard.
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Re: Right Wing Extremism

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No, don’t guess just ask....using someone’s appearance or drug addiction, most especially, is crass and speaks to a lack of cogent points to buttress a position, if you had them, you would not need to slime them on that level.

Do I now follow the prevalent diatribe and say; “well, that’s the left for you”?
OK maybe those comments were crass, but help me out, are you saying that I was incorrect to compare Rush's accomplishments to Powell. I don't retract that. I am saying he has done very little in his life but talk on the radio. I know he has made a lot of money but that isn't a important. Powell, on the other hand has served his country his entire life. Don't think I am cannonizing Powell, but his resume demands respect,I can't say the same for Rush. Or does "character" only become important when a Dem cheats on his wife?
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Re: Right Wing Extremism

No, I never said that. You appear to be trying to push me into a view or statement to validate your own, I have not made any value judgements either way.

I will say character is in the eye of the beholder and the values that drive the beholder. You appear to feel Rush has little and I would ask how you could make that judgment, Powell seems to because he has accomplished more that you apparently respect.

That’s fine, I am ambivalent. As much as I admire Powell, he lost much of my respect due to his silence ala Armitage etc.
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Re: Right Wing Extremism

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OK maybe those comments were crass, but help me out, are you saying that I was incorrect to compare Rush's accomplishments to Powell. I don't retract that. I am saying he has done very little in his life but talk on the radio. I know he has made a lot of money but that isn't a important. Powell, on the other hand has served his country his entire life. Don't think I am cannonizing Powell, but his resume demands respect,I can't say the same for Rush. Or does "character" only become important when a Dem cheats on his wife?
I guarantee Rush has donated way more money to charities than Powell has. Rush has donated millions to charity. I'm not saying that he's better than Powell . I'm just giving you an example of what he's done.
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Re: Right Wing Extremism

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I would agree that disagreeing w/a minority doesn't make one a racist. I was only using Rush's own defination of racism, Say, for instance, his comments about Sotomayor. Rush's comments are for the most part indefensible, such as saying Sanford went to Argentina because he thought "the country is going to Hell in......." , so he(Sanford) said "what the Hell". blah blah. Please tell me are you defending Rush or insisting on exact use and definations of words. If it is the latter, I'll certainly accept it, I only ask that you hold both sides to the same standard.
He very well might give a pass to conservatives. That would be a fault of his. I still don't think he's said anything overtly racist. I don't know if he isn't at all. I think everyone is racist on some level. Anytime there is a difference there are people who hate them or think something about them. The kid that wore glasses before everyone else in school was a dork and got picked on. Asians are good a math. Mexicans are hard workers. French are stuck up. There are all kinds of subtle ways people are racist. We can only strive to do our best to confront those feelings.
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He very well might give a pass to conservatives. That would be a fault of his. I still don't think he's said anything overtly racist. I don't know if he isn't at all. I think everyone is racist on some level. Anytime there is a difference there are people who hate them or think something about them. The kid that wore glasses before everyone else in school was a dork and got picked on. Asians are good a math. Mexicans are hard workers. French are stuck up. There are all kinds of subtle ways people are racist. We can only strive to do our best to confront those feelings.
Yes, some of us are well aware of the discrimination that's common to the entire human race. Short guys like me for instance.

Everyone has to deal with some motherfucker at some point who is just being an ass to them because of one of their characteristics, habits, past or choices (good, bad or indifferent).
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Old 07-05-2009
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Re: Right Wing Extremism

Apparently, Powell is starting to question Obama's policies. Not only is he a liar but seems to be a slow learner and naive as well.
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Apparently, Powell is starting to question Obama's policies. Not only is he a liar but seems to be a slow learner and naive as well.
This may be a novel concept. One can vote for whom they believe to be the best choice (or the lessor of 2 evils), and yet not always agree with what that canidate chooses to do.

BTW, is Bush a liar? Or only Powell? Inquiring minds wanna know.
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This may be a novel concept. One can vote for whom they believe to be the best choice (or the lessor of 2 evils), and yet not always agree with what that canidate chooses to do.

BTW, is Bush a liar? Or only Powell? Inquiring minds wanna know.
I don't know if Bush is a liar. He very well might have believed the intel. None of the people here even know all the intel either. I think it would be naive to think that everything has been released. I'd also like to point out that Bush, Cheney, etc aren't the ones that analyze the information. They are given a product from those who are specialized in the field. Or maybe Bush lied. We really don't know.

Powell is lying about something though. He is either lying about being a Republican or lying as to why he voted for Obama. Or he's not very smart. Everyone had a pretty good idea how left Obama was.

So Powell is either a liar or not the sharpest tool in the shed. Neither choice is that flattering.
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Old 07-11-2009
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I don't know if Bush is a liar. .......
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........... ........ ....... ........ .. ..... .. ..... . ......... .. . . . . ..
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............ Or maybe Bush lied. We really don't know.

Powell is lying about something though. ...... ........ ........ ..... ...... ......
....... ........ ........ ........ ......... ........ ...... ... ... .... ...
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So Powell is either a liar or not the sharpest tool in the shed. Neither choice is that flattering.
So you are hesitant to admit to Bush's PROVEN lies, but are absolutely certain of Powell's UNSUBSTANTIATED lies based on your GUT FEELINGS?

What a pile of horse manure!

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So you are hesitant to admit to Bush's PROVEN lies, but are absolutely certain of Powell's UNSUBSTANTIATED lies based on your GUT FEELINGS?

What a pile of horse manure!

Nope, no horse poo here. He should just come out of the closet and say he's a democrat like he really is. I mean...he actually didn't question Obama's policies, he only questioned that he's trying to do too much too fast with a lagging economy. Nope, I'm sure Powell is lying about being a republican.
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Re: Right Wing Extremism

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Nope, no horse poo here. He should just come out of the closet and say he's a democrat like he really is. I mean...he actually didn't question Obama's policies, he only questioned that he's trying to do too much too fast with a lagging economy. Nope, I'm sure Powell is lying about being a republican.
Sorry to tell you this but anyone registered as a Republican is a Republican. Like most political parties the Republicans have a "platform" yes, but we believe in Freedom of Thought in this country,( though apparently you don't), so you don't have to agree with it entirely, or even at all, to be a member.

Richard Nixon, frex, imposed wage and price controls, and is admitted by most to be the President who changed Liberalism to the present definition, and if Dwight Eisenhower were alive today he would be Barack Obama.

If you want to go where all Political Party membership must adhere to certain set of beliefs by law you'd do best to learn Chinese, or Russian if you have access to a time machine.
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Sorry to tell you this but anyone registered as a Republican is a Republican. Like most political parties the Republicans have a "platform" yes, but we believe in Freedom of Thought in this country,( though apparently you don't), so you don't have to agree with it entirely, or even at all, to be a member.
You believe in "freedom of thought"? Since when?

You've openly advocated "exile" or outright murder for those who don't think they way you want them to.....

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Richard Nixon, frex, imposed wage and price controls, and is admitted by most to be the President who changed Liberalism to the present definition, and if Dwight Eisenhower were alive today he would be Barack Obama.

If you want to go where all Political Party membership must adhere to certain set of beliefs by law you'd do best to learn Chinese, or Russian if you have access to a time machine.
Yeah, wouldn't want to risk exile, now would he?

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Sorry to tell you this but anyone registered as a Republican is a Republican. Like most political parties the Republicans have a "platform" yes, but we believe in Freedom of Thought in this country,( though apparently you don't), so you don't have to agree with it entirely, or even at all, to be a member.

Richard Nixon, frex, imposed wage and price controls, and is admitted by most to be the President who changed Liberalism to the present definition, and if Dwight Eisenhower were alive today he would be Barack Obama.

If you want to go where all Political Party membership must adhere to certain set of beliefs by law you'd do best to learn Chinese, or Russian if you have access to a time machine.
Well, true, technically he is registered as a republican. I could go out and register as a democrat and I'd be just as dishonest as he is being.

-edit- This reminds me of a guy I used to work with a few years ago. He was a "republican" but he hadn't voted for a republican in decades. He straight up told me that he was registered the way he was so he could purposefully vote for the weaker republicans in the primaries so the democrats would have a better chance of wining. Maybe this is what Powell is doing. Being dishonest about where he's being registered so he can change and weaken the opposition.
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You believe in "freedom of thought"? Since when?

You've openly advocated "exile" or outright murder for those who don't think they way you want them to.....



Yeah, wouldn't want to risk exile, now would he?

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...uh..I advocate criminal penalties for criminals, convicted by due process, and what's that got to do with the topic at hand anyhow? Do you keep files on us all and have these little stock epithets you pull out anytime you can't really answer the argument?

Fine, throw Colin Powell out of the Republicans as a RINO. You're gonna need another name soon, when you're all extinct as dinosaurs.
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